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[Phil StevensonParticipant @philstevenson54758]

Posted by phillip gardiner on 31/07/2022 02:53:48:

What is wrong with organic drinking water, what get's me is the use by date on bottled water.

This is an oft asked question. Nothing to do with the water going "off" but over time nasties can leach out of the plastic into the water hence the time limitation advisory. Of course you can just ignore it completely. Not sure if there is a date on glass bottled water but who in God's name thinks it's a good idea to sell water in a glass bottle?

[Ebenezer GoodParticipant @ebenezergood76202]

Posted by Phil Stevenson on 01/08/2022 10:38:36:

Posted by phillip gardiner on 31/07/2022 02:53:48:

What is wrong with organic drinking water, what get's me is the use by date on bottled water.

This is an oft asked question. Nothing to do with the water going "off" but over time nasties can leach out of the plastic into the water hence the time limitation advisory. Of course you can just ignore it completely. Not sure if there is a date on glass bottled water but who in God's name thinks it's a good idea to sell water in a glass bottle?

Perrier have been doing it since 1898

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

I think it is illegal to carry any animal in a vehicle where it's unrestrained and can potentially injure itself or others. I think it includes – or should – any situation where the animal is able to exit the vehicle in motion of its own volition – ie. without being released by its keeper in a safe and stationary situation.

You might trust your dog to sit on the fuel tank, but others don't know if it might decide to jump off and cause a pileup, so their concern is legitimate.

[vic neweyParticipant @vicnewey60017]

How about this one

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

It's illegal to carry a dog on the tank in the Police State Formerly Known as Australia these days. But it didn't used to be. Now you have to have proper box/cage on the back of the bike etc. I might have some old pics but it will take some digging out.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Mike Hurley on 01/08/2022 09:17:26:

Hopper – don't suppose you have any old photo's of the dog on the tank? Sounds great!

regards Mike (Avid dog-person)

Found a couple. None of the dog on the tank of my bike on the epic ride, but a couple of us starting out with the dog in the box on the back of my girlfriend's Triumph Bonneville. I'm the one in the background on the Harley. After a couple of weeks on the road, the dog went on strike and refused to get in the box. So she ended up sitting on my lap/tank the rest of the way — thousands of kilometres.

And one of the dog riding on the Triumph's tank on a weekend ride. (Dog was a corgi-beagle cross. Smart as anything and a real character.)

 

Edited By Hopper on 02/08/2022 11:06:00

[DalboyParticipant @dalboy]

My step son visited the other day with his dog in the car and he had to have a restraint for him(the dog that is) in the form of a lead that clips into a seat belt fixture, when we asked he did state that it is now law

Edited By Derek Lane on 02/08/2022 11:10:56

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

The world has gone mad.

[Mike HurleyParticipant @mikehurley60381]

Posted by Derek Lane on 02/08/2022 11:10:10:

My step son visited the other day with his dog in the car and he had to have a restraint for him(the dog that is) in the form of a lead that clips into a seat belt fixture, when we asked he did state that it is now law

Edited By Derek Lane on 02/08/2022 11:10:56

Has been law for quite some time now. The reasoning is sensible. 1. Dogs jumping about and distracting drivers is not a particularly good idea at the best of times. 2. In an accident, a couple of stone of hound being jettisoned into the back of your head & windscreen is going to do nobody any good.

I've been using one for several years, and the dog soon got used to it – has sufficent slack to move about a bit and seems perfectly comfortable.

regards Mike

[Mike HurleyParticipant @mikehurley60381]

Posted by Derek Lane on 02/08/2022 11:10:10:

My step son visited the other day with his dog in the car and he had to have a restraint for him(the dog that is) in the form of a lead that clips into a seat belt fixture, when we asked he did state that it is now law

Edited By Derek Lane on 02/08/2022 11:10:56

Has been law for quite some time now. The reasoning is sensible. 1. Dogs jumping about and distracting drivers is not a particularly good idea at the best of times. 2. In an accident, a couple of stone of hound being jettisoned into the back of your head & windscreen is going to do nobody any good.

I've been using one for several years, and the dog soon got used to it – has sufficent slack to move about a bit and seems perfectly comfortable.

regards Mike

 

p.s Love the photos Hopper!

Edited By Mike Hurley on 02/08/2022 11:31:14

[DalboyParticipant @dalboy]

Mike as I don't own a dog now (ours passed away some time ago and sadly missed) I am not up on the current laws regarding carrying pets in the car or come to think of it kids

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

I blame the Americans for starting it all.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

When saying 'its the law' please mention which country you are in. Even if you said it a few posts ago don't expect anyone to remember……

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

That advertisement Hopper shows may remind others, not just me, of somewhat similar versions fitted with reins so the the child just outgrown a push-chair could be safely restrained when out walking with Mum.

Don't expect me to remember wearing such things more than two-thirds of a century ago, but if I was glad to be out such encumbrances then, what have I spent the last few decades doing but choosing to wearing vaguely similar harnesses for vertical rope-techniques in caving. (Wearing one-piece fleece romper-suits – under a protective overall – while at it!).

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Restraining an animal by lead or cage while it is being carried in a car has been law in the UK for a while. I don't know about other countries, but would think it likely in European ones.

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

Was on holiday on the Isle of Wight a few years ago and we were walking through one town, can’t remember which one, and a motor cycle came down the street with a sidecar on it and sitting bolt upright in the sidecar was a dog, complete with leather helmet and goggles, it looked so funny and the dog was obviously enjoying himself, was too engrossed watching to get the phone and take a picture. Dave W

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Posted by phillip gardiner on 31/07/2022 02:53:48:

What is wrong with organic drinking water,

Water is inorganic as it doesn't contain hydrocarbons. If it did, it could be considered to be an organic solution but I wouldn't drink it!

Russell

[Mike HurleyParticipant @mikehurley60381]

Got me thinking – so checked up.

Apparently, contrary to what I thought, it's specifically NOT against the law in the UK to have an 'unrestrained' animal (by way of leash, cage or whatever) in a vehicle.

However – Driving with pets is covered under Rule 57 of the Highway Code that states: “When in a vehicle make sure dogs or other animals are suitably restrained so they cannot distract you while you are driving or injure you, or themselves if you stop quickly.” However, don't be fooled by thinking this is just advisory as its 'only' in the highway code. Legal guidelines indicate that if an unrestrained animal is involved / causes an accident the driver may be penalised for driving without due care & attention, fined up to £5000 (+ boat load of penalty points). Also both vehicle AND pet insurace may be invalidated, so you could end up severley broken financially as well as bodily.

It gets more complicated – be aware there are apparent risks relating to passenger seat airbags if letting (even if restrained) animals sit on the front seat. We don't so doesn't apply to me, but thought it wise to mention it in case anyone does.

Hope that clarifies things a bit. Regards Mike

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Mike Hurley on 02/08/2022 18:08:44:

Got me thinking – so checked up.

Apparently, contrary to what I thought, it's specifically NOT against the law in the UK to have an 'unrestrained' animal (by way of leash, cage or whatever) in a vehicle.

However – Driving with pets is covered under Rule 57 of the Highway Code that states: “When in a vehicle make sure dogs or other animals are suitably restrained so they cannot distract you while you are driving or injure you, or themselves if you stop quickly.” However, don't be fooled by thinking this is just advisory as its 'only' in the highway code. Legal guidelines indicate…

I understand this to relate to the difference in UK law between 'illegal' and 'unlawful'. Something is illegal when a law specifically bans it whereas 'unlawful' covers acts which have illegal consequences. In this example, if an unrestrained dog in a car causes an accident, the driver is held responsible for the accident, not the dog. And in addition, failing to restrain the animal is culpable and more so because it's mentioned in the Highway Code.

In the UK illegal and unlawful both have sharp teeth. Pleading 'Not guilty' to manslaughter because the law doesn't specifically ban driving with a live ferret down your trousers is unlikely to impress the judge!

Dave

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