Yorkshire Steam Wagon Drawings ???

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hello

I am interested in building a miniature steam truck. Specifically a Yorkshire steam wagon seen in this video

This has a New Zealand connection, it is rare, and something different from traction engines and locomotives.

I have also found this site but it is old and doesn't reveal much.

According to Wikipedia, the company lasted until 1993 so there is a reasonable chance that the factory drawings were preserved.

I am aware that there are some archives that may contain original factory drawings. I'd like to get copies but I don't know where to start.

Dazz

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Looking for original source.

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Try Leeds industrial museum

**LINK**

[vic francisParticipant @vicfrancis]

Hi Darren, i have some info on yorkshire wagons, and a model in 1:4 scale… unable to email you directly…?regards vic

[Phil PParticipant @philp]

I believe Robert Barker in Huddersfield built a 3" scale model of a Yorkshire. Maybe he has some info.

Phil

[Robert Barker 1Participant @robertbarker1]

hi phil

yes i was building a 3" scale Yorkshire steam wagon but i never got very far with it , all parts & patterns , drawings & any other info i collected were sold to vic francis above about 12 months ago

all the best

robert

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hi

I have contacted the West Yorkshire Heritage Archive Service and the Steam Engine Club in New Zealand of the late member to see if they know where the steam wagon now is. I have also sent an email to the Leeds Industrial Museum. I PMed Vic Francis with my email address.

Nothing heard yet but it's only been a short time. Thanks for the leads. They all look promising.

Dazz

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hi

I have contacted the son of the late owner of the York Wagon. The family still owns the wagon and there are a number of drawings there as well. Probably not all the drawings needed for a model build. They have invited me to visit and photograph the wagon.

Vic Francis has been busy feeding with various information relevant to the Yorkshire wagon and provided new leads.

I have also received a response from the West Yorkshire Archive Service in Leeds. They have provided a catalogue of documents held. The catalogue includes the all important drawing register that I need for the specific wagon I want to model. The drawing register will make it a lot easier to identify the exact drawings needed. The only problem is that I am on the wrong side the planet.

I will keep looking for more information.

Dazz

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hi

I have received the critically important drawing list for the specific wagon I am aiming to build. This is supplied by the Leeds archive. It is a promising start.

Dazz

[Simon BlackwoodParticipant @simonblackwood58956]

Hello Darren I would like some information on the yorkshire steam wagon drawings you received I would like to build the same engine as I used to drive that model 40 years ago any information will be great regards

Simon Blackwood

[John WightParticipant @johnwight23439]

Darren/Vic

I am interested in building a Yorkshire wagon and would be happy to buy copies of any plans available.

John Wight

[vic francisParticipant @vicfrancis]

Posted by John Wight on 23/05/2020 12:26:01:

Darren/Vic

I am interested in building a Yorkshire wagon and would be happy to buy copies of any plans available.

John Wight

Hi John I have sent you a message; kind regards

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hi

I am in the process of converting the paper based drawings to CAD. I have completed about 70% of the engine. Still a long way to go.

The work required to convert the drawings will be save in the time needed to make the patterns. I have purchased a 3D printer to produce the patterns.

I am producing files to a 4" scale but with CAD it is easy to scale the drawings.

I hadn't considered selling the drawings.

Darren

[John BaronParticipant @johnbaron31275]

Hi Guys,

There is a company in Pontefract, West Yorkshire that builds ride on models of them.

Try

http://miniaturesteam.com/

There is a picture on the first page.

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hi

The Yorkshire steam wagons have a unique boiler design quite different to a typical Foden, Birrell or other traction engines. I still haven't figured out how I am going to build it.

Dazz

[Phil PParticipant @philp]

I think you will find the ones John Rex builds are based on "Foden" wagons not "Yorkshire"

Phil

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by Darren Conway on 28/05/2020 03:16:58:

Hi

….

I am producing files to a 4" scale but with CAD it is easy to scale the drawings.

I hadn't considered selling the drawings.

Darren

I'd have a word with whoever you got them from before you do, there might be copyright issues, even giving them away.

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hi

The original drawings are over 100 years old and copyright could apply.

I am sure I own the copyright for the CAD drawings.

Darren

[vic francisParticipant @vicfrancis]

Posted by duncan webster on 28/05/2020 12:03:15:

Posted by Darren Conway on 28/05/2020 03:16:58:

Hi

….

I am producing files to a 4" scale but with CAD it is easy to scale the drawings.

I hadn't considered selling the drawings.

Darren

I'd have a word with whoever you got them from before you do, there might be copyright issues, even giving them away.

This comment above needs to be ignored for who has enforced copyright infringement for original drawings which are 100 years old!! especially as the Company is not in existence. Darren’s new cad drawings are his own work; and a new scaled version… the economic loss argument does not apply to infringement.I think The Hunslet Company would be pleased to see their design honoured in miniature form.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

Hi Darren,

I vaguely remember photos of a Yorks. T shaped boiler being built, ME or EIM, not sure but could have been perhaps 1980 s? Cannot remember if there was a proper build series or just a series of photos with a commentary, I did this, made that like this etc.,etc. Try trawling thro' internet indexes of the mags.

Good luck,

John

[vic francisParticipant @vicfrancis]

Hi yes that is the 3 inch Suffolk Dredging tractor boiler by John Haining… I think Darren is making in a bigger scale and instead of copper as the John Haining design is using steel fabricaton… Darren has all of my info from Bob ect.

Certainly the boiler is a impressive part of this wagon design. The Yorkshire wagon was adapted to many uses … from Gulley cleaners, crane jib lifting, cylindrical tank container, brewery platform, box removal type too many to list!

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hi

Copyright of the original drawings is of no concern to me. I am not using them in a way that would breech any copyright.

The CAD drawings I own.

Yes, I do want to build a maintainable, repairable steel boiler. That includes rolled-in tubes.

I have not figured out if that is achievable yet. I think I will need to make custom tube rolling tools to fit in the available working space.

Dazz

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

You might check into a design mentioned by John Haining in his "Countrymans' Steam" book from the 1980's. He describes a steel "Suffolk" boiler which outwardly looks like a Yorkshire wagon boiler but is much simpler internally. He also mentioned several improvements to the design by various people to ease internal cleaning.

[Darren ConwayParticipant @darrenconway28179]

Hi

That might be a really good idea but there is no danger of me getting access to a copy of that book.

Dazz

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

It's an interesting point with CAD drawings. Although moot in this case with 100 year old originals. But I think you will find that you don't actually own the CAD drawings if they are a copy of or even derivative from someone else's paper drawings. Their copyright protects their intellectual property, ie the the concept and design, not just the ink lines describing it.

Of course in an obscure enthusiast field like model engineering, the copyright police are unlikely to come banging on your door with a warrant in hand and kneel on your neck or anything.

But it is interesting how these "new" technologies are so widely considered an exception to existing laws. As many website owners sued for defamation found out in the early years of the internet.

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