workshop data charts

[Dougie SwanParticipant @dougieswan43463]

[Dougie SwanParticipant @dougieswan43463]

Any timescale on putting the workshop data charts on the website so that I can print them off?

Dougie

[chris jParticipant @chrisj]

I'd be interested in the location of some charts too

Chris

[M0BNDParticipant @m0bnd]

Buy this book, it has an excellent array of references that you may ever need – like a Zeus book on steroids!!!!

http://www.engineersblackbook.com/

J&l sell them, if you can get 5 people together that need 1 then they will sell for about £21 each.

Andy.

[chris jParticipant @chrisj]

Posted by M0BND on 24/09/2012 21:01:26:

Buy this book, it has an excellent array of references that you may ever need – like a Zeus book on steroids!!!!

http://www.engineersblackbook.com/

J&l sell them, if you can get 5 people together that need 1 then they will sell for about £21 each.

Andy.

Thanks Andy

[SpringbokParticipant @springbok]

There is another thread "what is swg" in which I replied that over many years have amassed a large ammount of data sheets and would post to my pics if anyone was interested and got no response, so presumed that everyone knew everything. Many years retired and still do not and still refer to them.

Bob

[TerrydParticipant @terryd72465]

Hi,

There are loads of less expensive, excellent data books which are more than adequate for Model Engineers as well as professionals. For example this one.

There are also loads and loads of tables available to copy and print out from the internet. It just needs a few seconds to bother to search. Examples are here and here.

Best regards

Terry

[Harold Hall 1Participant @haroldhall1]

Thanks Terry

Here is another one.

Harold

Edited By Harold Hall 1 on 25/09/2012 07:33:01

[TerrydParticipant @terryd72465]

Hi Harold,

I was looking for that one as it is the one I use. Excellent as is to be expected from your publications.

Best regards

Terry

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

I have the black book and whilst it's very useful it's not worth the money.

 

I better shop book to carry around or sit in a drawer as opposed to what I call shelf books is the Zeus type rip-off from Cromwell tools.

 

Cheap and has a lot of data, only problem is it's grease proof and not laminated so it will suffer over time.

Other problem with data books is they only have the date needed for the guy who writes them

You would write 20 books and they would only suit 20 people. Not knowing it but as an example HH's data book which I have doesn't have keyway tables. I for one would be deadin the water without a set of these, in fact the laminated sheet is glued to the head of the Bridgy.

 

Just pointing out this isn't a one size fits all.

 

Probably the best bet is to buy one of thos A5 lamiated pouch books and make your own up.

 

John S.

Edited By John Stevenson on 25/09/2012 09:40:33

[M0BNDParticipant @m0bnd]

@John S – a very good comment, it's not a one size fits all and yes, the black book is a lot of money (it works for me).Good idea about the A5 pouch thing – my top part of my toolbox used to be filled with copied data sheets pertinent to the jobs in hand at the time.

So I second this idea also.

Andy.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Springbok on 25/09/2012 05:56:58:

There is another thread "what is swg" in which I replied that over many years have amassed a large ammount of data sheets and would post to my pics if anyone was interested and got no response, so presumed that everyone knew everything. Many years retired and still do not and still refer to them.

Bob

Bob,

Yes, please do.

We can never have too many sources of data; and putting your collection in a Photo Album on this forum would be a great help.

A quick request to David Clark [if you are monitoring this thread] … is there any chance of allowing folks to post PDFs in their Album [or some communal area]? The jpeg format does not handle fine text very well.

Personally … I wouldn't be without my vintage Machinery's Handbook … but of course it's not suitable for Workshop use.

MichaelG.

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi There

I can post PDFs but members can not.

We can start a thread on tables and I can post them if readers email me them.

regards David

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Thank you, David

That should be very helpful.

MichaelG.

[chris jParticipant @chrisj]

Posted by David Clark 1 on 25/09/2012 10:27:41:

Hi There

I can post PDFs but members can not.

We can start a thread on tables and I can post them if readers email me them.

regards David

That would be a great idea.

I have a couple of books brimming with various tables but don't want to ruin them in the workshop. What I was looking for was A4 or A5 tables that I could print off, then laminate. Yes I could do my own but it's time consuming and I may make a mistake or three.

I wouldn't mind doing (say drill sizes) a couple and donating them to the forum library if one was to be started.

Chris

Thanks for the replies so far btw.

[Robert DoddsParticipant @robertdodds43397]

David C

Whatever happened to the Data sheets that were a feature of early MEWs. The front covers of the issues around 30-35 advertise the data sheets but I don't find them in the digitised content.

Originally printed on strong card they were a useful give away with the mag. Have you got access to them?

I personally find the Presto Councellor a useful top draw book that covers a wide range of workshop data. I was lucky to get hard copy a few years ago and its still available as a pdf

http://www.presto-tools.co.uk/counsellor.pdf.

A phone call might find it's still in print.

Bob D

[TerrydParticipant @terryd72465]

Posted by John Stevenson on 25/09/2012 09:39:05:

I have the black book and whilst it's very useful it's not worth the money.

I better shop book to carry around or sit in a drawer as opposed to what I call shelf books is the Zeus type rip-off from Cromwell tools.

Cheap and has a lot of data, only problem is it's grease proof and not laminated so it will suffer over time.

Other problem with data books is they only have the date needed for the guy who writes them

You would write 20 books and they would only suit 20 people. Not knowing it but as an example HH's data book which I have doesn't have keyway tables. I for one would be deadin the water without a set of these, in fact the laminated sheet is glued to the head of the Bridgy.

Just pointing out this isn't a one size fits all.

Probably the best bet is to buy one of thos A5 lamiated pouch books and make your own up.

John S.

Edited By John Stevenson on 25/09/2012 09:40:33

Hi John,

I quite agree, and any repository on any forum I have used always seem to lack have the very one I need at the time. Same with books. I also have a copy of the 'Black Book' (Machinerys Handbook in my case, every toolmakers toolbox had a special drawer to hold a copy) which has been tucked away in the loft for years. That is why, when I need a data table these days I find one on the internet then print and laminate in either A4 or A5 pockets. Takes all of 5 minutes,and over the years I have built up a mini library of tables, the main ones being pinned up in the workshop at strategic places.

I find it quicker to do a Google search than delve endlessly through various file repositories. This search for your key specification tables took about me 20 seconds> I don't consider that a waste of time!

Regards

Terry

[TerrydParticipant @terryd72465]

Posted by Terryd on 25/09/2012 12:02:19:

…………………This search for your key specification tables took about me 20 seconds> I don't consider that a waste of time!

Regards

Terry

Plus another 90 seconds to copy, paste into word, reformat and send to print. I just don't rely on others to do my work for me

Best regards

Terry

[chris jParticipant @chrisj]

Posted by Terryd on 25/09/2012 12:07:49:

Posted by Terryd on 25/09/2012 12:02:19:

…………………This search for your key specification tables took about me 20 seconds> I don't consider that a waste of time!

Regards

Terry

Plus another 90 seconds to copy, paste into word, reformat and send to print. I just don't rely on others to do my work for me

Best regards

Terry

Terry

A noble thing indeed but you are still having others do your work for you, in this case Roymech.

I personally think it might be a good resource for this kind of forum to have.

Chris

[Harold Hall 1Participant @haroldhall1]

I am sorry Bob D but I did the Data Sheets in the early MEW's and as such have the copyright. Much of which is the basis for my Metalworkers Data Book, mentioned above, though this somewhat updated.

I do of course except that the data in say a drill size chart is commonly available and not copyright, only its presentation in this case. There is though much original work in the sheets and the book. Typically, my tapping drill size charts have much more detail regarding thread depth relating to alternative drill sizes than most, if not all.

Harold

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi Terry

Watch out for all those laminated sheets.

They must be a fire risk.

regards David

[Harold Hall 1Participant @haroldhall1]

I should have added I aggree with John S, building up your own data base is the best aproach for every day use. This is how my data sheets first came into existance.

For example, I got fed up of refering to four drill size charts, Imperial, letter, number and metric to see what drill sizes there maybe in the other lists between two adjacent drill sizes in the list that I was viewing.

Other examples, tapping drill charts that do not give the resulting thread depth and changewheel charts that do not give the error in pitch when cutting a metric thread on an imperial lathe.

Harold

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

To prove how diverse the needs are for charts I looked at my laminated collection today and No 1 in the front of the book is a photocopied page from an electric motor catalogue giving shaft and flange sizes for mains electric motors.

Mind you I do do a *lot* of electric motors.

When I first went self employed my accounting / invoice package was datbase linked and I ran that for 7 years. One day I noticed that all motor ends I called housings, most of these repairs were bore out, sleeve and rebore back to a standard bearinf fit. Some may have been welded repairs our helicoils, no way of knowing without a deep seach but i did a search on invoices with the word housing in them.

I came up with just over 9,300 repaired housing in just over 7 years. No idea what is is to date as the new software cant search items buried in an invoice.

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