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    Justin Thyme
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      @justinthyme24678

      Here is a freewheel hub off a standard bicycle, there is nothing missing here, there is only two pawls and the empty recess does not take a pawl.

      My question is, why are they not opposite each other?  I guess there is a mechanical reason but I don’t quite understand it (at a guess I’m thinking the offset allows them both to engage better, but far from sure)

       

       

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      #689752
      Ady1
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        @ady1

        I have found quite a few design solutions on youtube, there is a small community of very talented guys who actually do CAD style moving parts videos which explain stuff better than a narrative ever could

        That’s where I would try first

        #689774
        Justin Thyme
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          @justinthyme24678

          do you have a link

          #689775
          Mark Rand
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            @markrand96270

            My guess would be that it’s clever enough to result in nine or ten clicks per revolution.

             

            Edit to add:-

            No, the pawls must be on the outside teeth, which would be many more clicks per revolution, but still arranged to give twice as many clicks as teeth. The shiny areas on the face are, presumably friction surfaces???

            #689780
            Bazyle
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              @bazyle

              If it is symmetric wear or damage might push it sideways and lock it, maybe, just a guess. Or with two play in the bearings may ensure that both pawls take equal stress but a third one may never actually make contact so proved pointless. The design for 3 would have been tested and then someone got a bonus for saving making ten million pawls a year.

              #689789
              Ady1
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                @ady1
                On Justin Thyme Said:

                do you have a link

                No nothing like that, you have to do your own searching and use appropriate terms

                For example I had nothing that really explained the feed mechanism of an MG42 and trawled through a load of crap until

                 

                #689835
                Robert Atkinson 2
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                  @robertatkinson2

                  Only the designer knows for sure. They can have 2 to 8 pawls. Some explanation here:

                  https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/freehubs/

                  and

                  https://www.sheldonbrown.com/freewheels.html

                  Of relevance “This particular freewheel has two pawls directly opposite one another and an odd number of ratchet teeth, 15, so only one pawl engages at a time.

                  #689866
                  peak4
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                    @peak4

                    Is it your own freewheel, or did you find the photo on the net somewhere?
                    A remarkably similar image is on This Cycling Forum, where a possible answer is provided just below by Colin

                    image_2023-11-12_114433138

                     

                    Bill

                    #689935
                    Justin Thyme
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                      @justinthyme24678

                      Lets say I was just after a second opinion, I was just rebuilding it yet again, and wondered if any of the engineering minded souls on here would of had a better or different explanation.

                      #689949
                      Howard Lewis
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                        @howardlewis46836

                        Is the third pawl missing?

                        There seems to be a space for one

                        #689987
                        Ady1
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                          @ady1

                          Certainly looks like there should be a third latch

                          Could there be any advantage in an unbalanced system?

                           

                          edit. aha, it’s a cheap/sneaky way of stopping clunking in worn setups

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