Which software?

[TakeawayParticipant @takeaway]

I'd like to be able to draw some 3d parts/models on PC so that I am able to rotate the work and see what things look like from any angle. Apart from poking about in my TurboCad 15 (which I find quite confusing and not 3d anyway) I have no experience of using this sort of software. I will only be wanting to work on steam models and tooling so something either free or cheap would be appropriate. Can dimensions be included on this sort of software?

What I'd like to avoid is getting well into a package only to discover disappointing limitations, so can any of you recommend something I might try my hand at? Interesting links might be handy as well).Thanks – Stuart

[TakeawayParticipant @takeaway]

may I pick your brain please?

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Although not Free you can trial Alibre for free and that will give you an idea of what can be done, If we could post .pdf files here I could post something for you to move around.

**LINK**

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Stuart,

Although it's CAD credentials are somewhat suspect; SketchUp is worth a try.

… There is a free version.

If you do get on with SketchUp; try the SketchyPhysics plug-in … it's amazing.

MichaelG.

[Anonymous]

I also use Alibre. When I bought my copy I went for the top of the range, as I needed the sheet metal facility, but as Jason says there are cheaper versions available. The software does have some irritating features and limitations, but that is true of all CAD software. I've just finished a project where an outside company designed an injection moulded case using Solidworks. They spent most of the meetings thumping the computer and cursing the software. One big limitation of Alibre is that it is not good at free form surfaces, but that is unlikely to be a problem for steam engines.

Here's an assembly of parts for the motion work on my traction engine. So far it has proved that the paper drawings are a complete fantasy, almost none of the parts fitted together as drawn. And the valve gear appears to be wrong too.

On the assembly I can rotate the crankshaft and see how all the parts move in sympathy. PM me an email address if you want a PDF of the above which you can pan, zoom and rotate.

Dimensions are inherent to the creation of the 3D model. Alibre is also parametric, which means that the dimesions can be equations. I am designing the traction engine in imperial so I can enter 7/32 in the dimension box instead of working out the decimal equivalent. I have had to make changes in the design as some material is only available in metric sizes. So if I need to take 6mm off a dimension I could type, for instance, 7/8-6/25.4 in the dimension box. Finally for a square I could dimension one side with a number and it would be allocated a name, say D1. Then for the second side I enter D1 as the dimension instead of a number. Then, if I change the size of the first side, the second side changes automatically.

Using a 3D CAD system requires a very different mindset to a 2D CAD system. If you can think in 3D and see how parts are built up from simple 3D shapes it helps enormously.

Regards,

Andrew

[David JuppParticipant @davidjupp51506]

First I'll declare a bias – I have a connection with Mintronics (the major UK reseller of Alibre).

As Andrew mentioned, using 3D CAD is very different from 2D, and it can take a while to get used to it. Whatever system you look at, do work through any tutorials provided – I mean actually work through, not just watch. I also suggest you check out the on-line user forum for any system you consider – you'll get lots of free help from a good forum.

I believe there is good information on Mintronics and Alibre web sites about capabilities for each version of Alibre – but feel free to call if you have questions.

I suspect you will find free 3D CAD systems will fall into the 'disappointing limitations' box, but you don't have to spend a fortune to get pretty good functionality.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Andrew, you can also enter that dimension as 7/8" – 6mm and it will come out the same so no need to express the metric as a fraction.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Stuart.

Take a look at ViaCAD 2D/3D it'll do everything you need without costing too much and has full dimensioning facilities as well.

Martin.

[BaldricParticipant @baldric]

Posted by Stuart Chesher on 05/02/2013 10:50:18:

Apart from poking about in my TurboCad 15 (which I find quite confusing and not 3d anyway) I have no experience of using this sort of software.

Stuart,

I have used TurboCad, not v15 though, and it is 3D, but you need to be in model space not paper space. As I am not near a PC with it on I can't give precise details on how to switch the view. If they have removed the 3D options I would not be happy.

A quick google shows this which might help.

**LINK**

Baldric

[TakeawayParticipant @takeaway]

Thanks for the link Baldric – having read it just re-enforces my opinion about TurboCad being confusing. I have read other chaps remarks about learning CAD and the phrase "steep learning curve" usually creeps in at some point. I am a confirmed acrophobic and try to avoid steep curves of any sort wherever possible.

ATB

Stuart

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

I pride myself on being able to use most software without botheruing with the manual. I have Turbocad 16 deluxe 2D/3D and it scares the **** out of me. I must persevere – doing drawings in Corel 10 is not sustainable…

Neil

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

If you are a student or an unemployed/retired engineer you can get Autodesk Inventor from the Autodesk website for free. It does everything you could possibly want but takes some learning.

Personally I stick with 2 1/2 D and spend more time in the workshop.

Russell.

[TakeawayParticipant @takeaway]

Thanks everyone for answering – all very helpful and Russell – I spend quite a lot of time away from the workshop but close to the laptop so your tip re: INVENTOR sounds just the ticket. I'll give that a whirl first.ATB -Stuart

[TakeawayParticipant @takeaway]

Russell – I've looked on Autodesk website but cannot find a free download of INVENTOR for the likes of me – a retired engineer. Do you have a link? – Stuart

[Chris CourtneyParticipant @chriscourtney72250]

Stuart,

Here is a link to the relevent page: **LINK**

Chris C

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

You beat me to it Chris!

[SmikeParticipant @smike]

I've been using Google Sketchup which is a 3D drawing program thats free.

I find it easy to use and has free tutorials, but I've only used it for fairly simple engineering

designs. There's no way to export the design in .dxf format etc though.

Best idea is to try a few of the proper engineering programs and see which one you get

on with the best. Most have free versions with limited functionality to get a feel for them.

It will take a while to get really familiar with a given program and some are more user friendly than

others. MEW has had some suggestions on drawing packages in the past which would be worth digging out.

Cheers.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Posted by Smike on 07/02/2013 22:29:14:

I've been using Google Sketchup which is a 3D drawing program thats free.

I find it easy to use and has free tutorials, but I've only used it for fairly simple engineering

designs. There's no way to export the design in .dxf format etc though.

.

There is a free DXF export add on for Sketchup.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Sketchup has no true circle or arc capability though.

Martin.

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