What bench drill

[Mike 90Participant @mike90]

At the moment Chester are selling there pillar and bench drills for £99, I’m interested in the D19, has anybody any thoughts on this machine, it seems to be a very good price, to good to miss in fact. I need the chuck to take at leased 1/2 drill bits.

[Mike 90Participant @mike90]

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

Sadly it looks like only the D13 is at £99. The D19 is £326.

Mike

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Have a look at Machine Mart, usual disclaimer…

**LINK**

George.

[IanTParticipant @iant]

I purchased a 'cheap' benchtop drill from Lidl's a year or so back. Once home I assembled it and turned it on – quite apart from the terrible noise it made, the quill (when extended) could be pulled side to side by about 3mm – completely useless for my needs. It went straight back to the store and they refunded my money (with no hassle at all). I've wandered through various DIY sheds since and tried the quills on any small (e.g. cheap) drill presses I've seen and all of them had a lot of quill 'slop'.

Maybe the (cheaper) Chester drill is better but I suspect that they all probably come from the same factory. Depends on what you expect from your benchtop drill but if you want something that will drill small holes reasonably accurately in metal, then I think you will probably need to pay a bit more than the typical £80-90 small drill price for something good.

Regards,

IanT

[egaParticipant @ega]

It sounds as though the cheap Asian drill may have become cheaper over time: a friend gave me an old Astra import which had been condemned by his employers on account of the flange connecting the column to the base having cracked in service; this was easily replaced and, despite being rather noisy, it has given good service for some years. Checking the quill at full extension just now revealed no obvious side play.

The main limitation of these machines for me is the overhead in time of setting the speed; there seem to be rather few drills available with rapid speed change.

[Mike 90Participant @mike90]

Thanks mike, I should have looked closer at the add, £326, is a bit to much for me, I’ve got about a £200 limit, has anybody got any recommendations at that sort of price, thanks.

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Posted by Mike 90 on 03/02/2020 13:00:40:

Thanks mike, I should have looked closer at the add, £326, is a bit to much for me, I’ve got about a £200 limit, has anybody got any recommendations at that sort of price, thanks.

For the price I'm happy with my Titan TT541DBT for screwfix link

Usual disclaimer

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[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

If it was me, I would avoid anything that mentioned wood or DIY in the write up.

Weighed less than 100lbs or it might be a bit bendy.

A low speed of more than 300ish rpm for that 1/2" drill.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOzlfpaxHgU&list=PLqxEUtyoHqnI_1y_OHMsALTAT-utklw5o&index=2&t=3s

I bought the Aldi Pillar drill & it seems ok. It drills. It is noisy because it needs some deadening foam around the top cover. £59 online. Take a look at my review of it. No skits guys. I am trying.

 

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[thaiguzziParticipant @thaiguzzi]

Posted by ega on 03/02/2020 12:37:40:

It sounds as though the cheap Asian drill may have become cheaper over time: a friend gave me an old Astra import which had been condemned by his employers on account of the flange connecting the column to the base having cracked in service; this was easily replaced and, despite being rather noisy, it has given good service for some years. Checking the quill at full extension just now revealed no obvious side play.

The main limitation of these machines for me is the overhead in time of setting the speed; there seem to be rather few drills available with rapid speed change.

+1. My Taiwanese bench drill (2MT, 16mm chuck, 3 pulleys 12 speed) was purchased new in 1982.

Drilled 1000's of holes inc a lot of big stuff like 19mm holes, used commercially in my UK pro workshop for 15 years, and is STILL GOING STRONG.

No slop in the quill, original bearings, original motor, changed the belts once.

Grown rather fond of the thing.

[egaParticipant @ega]

thaiguzzi:

Your machine may have been the elder and larger brother to mine which, according to its plate, was made in Taiwan in 1988.

Incidentally, my impression is that Taiwan is holding its own industrially vis a vis China.

[Colin HeseltineParticipant @colinheseltine48622]

I would be looking at second hand Meddings, Pollard or Fobco or similar on EBay. I bought Fobco for £200 and it was in excellent condition

colin

[John Paton 1Participant @johnpaton1]

Plus 1 for Meddings second hand.

i bought mine second hand nearly 40 years ago, use it pretty well daily iincluding some heavy work and in its time light milling and routing.

Still no different to the day I bought it and it owes me nothing now.

Try and get one with rack and pinion to raise the table, not too many about but that feature is a godsend as you get older!

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by IanT on 03/02/2020 12:19:09:.

…Depends on what you expect from your benchtop drill but if you want something that will drill small holes reasonably accurately in metal, then I think you will probably need to pay a bit more than the typical £80-90 small drill price for something good.

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Can't disagree with that, and my cheap pillar drill doesn't get much use now I have a milling machine. But I wouldn't write off cheap pillar and bench drills quite so quickly because they're better than a hand-drill plus there's a technique that improves accuracy.

First, an accurately placed centre pop in the job is needed. With that as guide, a twist drill will align acceptably into the pop provided the operator allows the job to float into the drill's spinning axis. The trick is in taking a floppy approach rather than clamping everything down rigidly and expecting a bearing to keep the drill straight.

Important to hold the work so it can only move only sideways. The job still needs to be held in a machine vice with bolts tight enough to stop the whole lot taking off if the drill grabs.

However, I prefer my milling machine for accurate drilling – it requires less skill, is safer, and faster.

Dave

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

A low usage 30yr old far eastern drill can be quite a nice unit. I stored one for a club member a couple of years ago and was getting more jealous each time I went into the garage. If the quill is sloppy there was a modification published for making the operating arm spindle bushes a little eccentric to push it against the quill rack. Another mod was to put a brass push screw in at the front.

[egaParticipant @ega]

Posted by Bazyle on 05/02/2020 12:58:59:

A low usage 30yr old far eastern drill can be quite a nice unit. I stored one for a club member a couple of years ago and was getting more jealous each time I went into the garage. If the quill is sloppy there was a modification published for making the operating arm spindle bushes a little eccentric to push it against the quill rack. Another mod was to put a brass push screw in at the front.

In the same vein, you could turn up a close-fitting bush and screw it to the underside of the head casting to stabilise the quill.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Having used these cheap drills, I don't regret just getting a reasonable drill stand for an ordinary corded drill with 2 speed gearbox. It does ok in my garage, and the power is much better.

[Mike 90Participant @mike90]

I’ve been looking at the screw fix Titan TTB 541 DBT, bench drill and at 700w is quite powerful and looks to be a good machine for the price, £179.99, and thanks for the suggestion Harry, has anybody else got this machine and are they reliable,

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I had the really cheap MM one, and despite a distinctly loose quill I happily drilled hundreds of holes in PCBs and lots of much larger holes. Many dozens of 1/32" rivet holes in brass were a tad more demanding and I got through a pack of ten drills, although mostly because I wasn't able to clamp or support the sheet metal construction very well.

That said I now have a 16 speed MT2 MM one that dwarfed the old one, and it's really, really nice to use.

Neil

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

Trouble is, for some reason you expect the higher priced machines from the commercial importers to be better than the budget version of their ranges that we all have in the garage to do menial work. Having looked to upgrade for over a year at various machines in the £200 to £300 category, I came to the conclusion paying more only gets you a bigger drill, not a better one.

They are without fail characterised by any or all of the following; wobbly quills, off centre spindles or chucks, flexible columns the thickness of a baked bean can, inadequate mounting hardware, rough actions etc etc. And yes, you could probably remediate the deficiencies to some degree, but WTF – for some crazy reason I expect the product to work properly out of the box without requiring a full rebuild, at least for the first week. Sheesh! how hard can it be to get a good quill fit with todays manufacturing processes?

In the main, the current crop of general purpose far east drill machines are all of the same fundamentally bad design, badly implemented, but no doubt very cheap to produce and profitable for the manufacturers.

You then turn to the recycled brit-tool market and quietly despair at the collection of knackered old dogs on offer, but at least you go into that market fully expecting to carry out a rebuild. Be prepared to be aghast at the prices those dog eared specimens attract. I suppose if you can source or make the spares required you would end up with something worthwhile eventually, but it hardly seems worth the cost in blood and treasure.

nb. This is where someone usually chimes in about how they found a pile of unused Awesome Specials (or what ever) for a fiver each outside the local tech. Well good for you, but that doesn't help rest of us that have to keep vainly searching.

[Roderick JenkinsParticipant @roderickjenkins93242]

When I bought my pillar drill Jet were the only ones to specify a run out on the quill. At least it gives you something to complain against. I'm actually very happy with mine.

Rod

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Martin of Wick on 07/02/2020 15:49:48:

Trouble is, for some reason you expect the higher priced machines from the commercial importers to be better than the budget version of their ranges that we all have in the garage to do menial work. Having looked to upgrade for over a year at various machines in the £200 to £300 category, I came to the conclusion paying more only gets you a bigger drill, not a better one.

They are without fail characterised by any or all of the following; wobbly quills, off centre spindles or chucks, flexible columns the thickness of a baked bean can, inadequate mounting hardware, rough actions etc etc.

Try one of these, I don't think any of those criticisms apply to mine.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-cdp302b-bench-drill-press-230v/

[VicParticipant @vic]

As I mentioned in another post I was shocked by the JET drill they bought at work. Dreadful surface finish on the table and base and the column was made from steel tube with a wall thickness of a under 3mm. It was pretty noisy as well. If you’re spending more than £200 then wait for an old English drill in good working order.

Having said all that I commented to a local supplier that a bench drill lounging unused on his workshop floor looked good. It turned out to be a Chinese machine that looked very well made to me. It was over 20 years old he said and had it’s origins clearly marked. He said it was a nice machine.

[Brian MorehenParticipant @brianmorehen85290]

Available from Thursday 13 Feb At Lidl Bench Pillar Drill £ 59.99 Looks good Info sounds O/K May have look if there . No I am not selling it . Any body in need may be worth a Look?

Brian Morehen

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