Warning buyer beware

[David ColwillParticipant @davidcolwill19261]

So the boring head is going back where it came from.

I'm not sure that this is a case of buyer beware, more a case of buyer check what you have bought!

In your position I would be reasonably confident of getting my money back. As others have pointed out use Paypal as a method of payment, they will immediately pull the money back if there is any problem and are pretty good at getting to the bottom of things.

As far as I am concerned this is a great illustration of your consumer rights in action!

Regards.

David.

[Manny lambertParticipant @mannylambert86533]

Hi,

up dated photos of damage boring head created by other half.

Thanks for all support

Manny.

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

David, reimbursement from PayPal is not foolproof, I was scammed by a Chinese seller for an item that cost about £20, the seller sent an item that was worthless and not even related to what was advertised, PayPal sided with the seller and refused a refund. The seller had advertised the item on Facebook, learnt my lesson and do not respond to any adverts placed on Facebook, treat them all as if they are scams. Dave W

[HowiParticipant @howi]

Posted by Samsaranda on 01/06/2022 09:26:41:

David, reimbursement from PayPal is not foolproof, I was scammed by a Chinese seller for an item that cost about £20, the seller sent an item that was worthless and not even related to what was advertised, PayPal sided with the seller and refused a refund. The seller had advertised the item on Facebook, learnt my lesson and do not respond to any adverts placed on Facebook, treat them all as if they are scams. Dave W

yes! i've been caught out like this too, PayPal was useless, DO NOT rely on PayPal to reimburse you.

the item had to be sent back (to China) at more than original price paid, so not worth it, one lives and learns.

Just be careful what you "WISH" for……..

[Anonymous]

Posted by Samsaranda on 01/06/2022 09:26:41:

I was scammed by a Chinese seller for an item that cost about £20, the seller sent an item that was worthless and not even related to what was advertised, PayPal sided with the seller and refused a refund.

Sounds like half the story – surely Paypal must have give a reason for "siding with the seller"?

My experiences with getting refunds from Paypal may be too few to be statistically significant but in all cases Paypal seemed to be almost "falling over itself" to give me my money back … I certainly got the impression that it favoured the buyer.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 01/06/2022 18:31:06:

Posted by Samsaranda on 01/06/2022 09:26:41:

I was scammed by a Chinese seller for an item that cost about £20, the seller sent an item that was worthless and not even related to what was advertised, PayPal sided with the seller and refused a refund.

Sounds like half the story – surely Paypal must have give a reason for "siding with the seller"?

My experiences with getting refunds from Paypal may be too few to be statistically significant but in all cases Paypal seemed to be almost "falling over itself" to give me my money back … I certainly got the impression that it favoured the buyer.

My experience with Paypal has been positive in the main, normally if goods don't turn up.

Tony

[Neil LickfoldParticipant @neillickfold44316]

Those boring heads are almost bullet proof. I would think that if carefully taken apart and then reassembled and deburred inside, it should all be working fine. If anything, the #2 MT may well be bent at the joining area. They are a little tricky to get apart . Most common is the over travel and it creates a burr on the inside part. 1985 was when I took one apart to repair. It was loose and tight on the feed ring.

[lfoggyParticipant @lfoggy]

This post has been interesting to me as I had been looking for a used Wohlhaupter boring head on eBay and elsewhere for a while. A few were offerred but they did not look good to me. After a year of watching I concluded the option was a new Wohlhaupter for £2k+ or a new Vertex of similar spec for less than half that. In the end I purchased a Vertex boring and facing head from Rotagrip and it is a decent tool. Finish not as good as a new Wohlhaupter but not that much in it. And of course my tool was box fresh, new and shiny and covered by Vertex warranty. Accuracy and ease of use is similar I think. Maybe not as robust in an industrial environment but then I am just a hobbyist….

Edited By lfoggy on 01/06/2022 20:54:27

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

There’s a lot of ‘advertising puff’ in the ebay listing … but one clear statement is quite evidently untrue:

… no damage or marks …

That alone is enough to justify a full refund.

MichaelG.

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P.S. __ as a pleasing diversion, on the subject of puff,  I recommend reading this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlill_v_Carbolic_Smoke_Ball_Co

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 01/06/2022 22:54:06

[HowiParticipant @howi]

Posted by Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 01/06/2022 18:31:06:

Posted by Samsaranda on 01/06/2022 09:26:41:

I was scammed by a Chinese seller for an item that cost about £20, the seller sent an item that was worthless and not even related to what was advertised, PayPal sided with the seller and refused a refund.

Sounds like half the story – surely Paypal must have give a reason for "siding with the seller"?

My experiences with getting refunds from Paypal may be too few to be statistically significant but in all cases Paypal seemed to be almost "falling over itself" to give me my money back … I certainly got the impression that it favoured the buyer.

This is where the Chinese have found the loophole, PayPal states the item MUST be returned to the seller and you MUST submit proof of posting and seller MUST state that the returned item has been received.

They price their sale item at usually less than £20, knowing that UK post will charge almost as much to send back to China, so YOU lose every which way.

By clever advertising and (if you look carefully enough) wording in description, 99% of images of the item you THINK you are buying have nothing to do with what you actually get, it is the 1% you have to look out for.

If you think PayPal is going to look after your interests when buying anything from China, think again.

I still purchase lots of stuff from Chinese sellers but I choose who I buy from very carefully.

The likes of Hobbyking, Banggood and Aliexpress are good to deal with and I have had no problem buying high poriced items as well as the very low price stuff.

Beware buying ANYTHING from China via Facebook adverts, Wish is one to definitely avoid unless you know what you are ordering is EXACTLY what you want, read the descriptions very carefully and compare with UK sites.

I can give you an example, I recently bought a new watch, a very specific SEIKO 5 watch retailing at about £150 in the UK. Those in the know, will know that ALL Seiko 5 watches must have the following atributes:-

It must display Seconds, minutes, hours, day and date on an automatic movement, mine also had Crystal glass front AND rear where you can see the movement, called a display back.

Looking on the "dodgey" sites where the price was less than £30, while they looked like the real thing (I am convinced the photos were of the genuine Seiko), These cheap? nockoffs were Quartz movements with Acrylic glass and no display back.

I eventually bought from a UK based Chinese seller who sends orders from HongKong and I paid less than Half the UK price + no import duties etc

you JUST have to be CAREFUL.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

I see some sellers on Aliexpress sell things ridiculously cheap, but charge a lot for postage, whereas their competitors charge more for the item and much less for shipping with China's subsidised postage system. Total price, rather amazingly (not) comes out the same. So if you go with seller A, it's not worth sending back for a paltry refund of the low purchase price. They have got your money and you are stuck with the dud product if it does not work etc. Bit sneaky.

Edited By Hopper on 02/06/2022 10:13:58

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

Glad my experience with Chinese retailers is reinforced by others experiences. Dave W

[David ColwillParticipant @davidcolwill19261]

I see that it is back on eBay for £700.00

David.

[Mark RandParticipant @markrand96270]

Posted by Howi on 02/06/2022 10:08:20:

This is where the Chinese have found the loophole, PayPal states the item MUST be returned to the seller and you MUST submit proof of posting and seller MUST state that the returned item has been received.

PayPal will, actually, reimburse your postage when you return an item. The problem is that the limit is/was £15. This is too little even for a return to Europe, let alone to China. Discovered this when I bought a Roomba replacement battery from Belgium that wasn't accepted by the machine.

[Manny lambertParticipant @mannylambert86533]

Hi every one,

seller has relisted the boring head for £700 and still no detailed description regarding the damage. He has stated that I changed my mind is the reason for relisting.

I left negative feedback due to all the time wasted !, and dishonesty from this seller. Ebay gave me a full refund including postage.

God also intervened has we have received two full refunds, we will return one of the refunds as we are honest.

He now has to wait for us to refund him, that serves him right for being dishonest.

Manny

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Will they never learn !?!

ebay has sent me an advert for it

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MichaelG.

[Mark RandParticipant @markrand96270]

Description and photographs in the relisted item seem reasonable.

[Chris MateParticipant @chrismate31303]

Well, according to the description in my books this is just fraud, and I will treat it as tha, even 2nd hand because of the description.

I once ordered a multifix toolpost from a company with a beautifull website. The communication was fast. I paid in full. I kept all correspondence and screenprints of messages. Long story short, after 6 months I received nothing and CEO of company became evasive. I then sample all the evidence collected which included promices of early deliveries. I was about to write off the money, but then received it back in full after another two months. So the whole ordeal took 8 months. I aquired at the town the physical company was listed and his office at a mall, after which the mall owner indicated he does not know such a person, that was the 6 Months into it. This was before the pandemic, and the company closed soon afterwards.
A dead givaway is if communication becomes sluggish after payment.

So from that I decided no internet buy unless I can visit the company in the same province I live, and I never had a problem doing it that way so far.

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