VICKERS 8″ HOWITZER NEW THREAD

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

hi Bob,

GIYF

There are several methods, listed on this page.

Neil

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

"GIYF" i had to google that! thank you for info. Question: What do frogs do?Answer: RIVET, RIVET, RIVET!!

[AndyfParticipant @andyf]

It looks like it's going to be a super model.

One slight worry: in the Firearms Act 1968 (as amended) "…the expression “firearm” means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged…"

That's very wide; taking it to the point of absurdity, it might cover a tube which happened to have one end closed off and a small hole through the side, because if you were so minded, you could stuff powder and ball down it and detonate the powder via the hole. The Act doesn't say "commercially available shot, bullet or other missile".

If the model is realistic to the extent that it is not de-activated in any way, maybe you should have a firearms certificate for it. I appreciate that you will have no live ammunition, and no ammo will be commercially available, but the Act says you commit an offence if you manufacture or possess a firearm, whether or not you have ammo to go with it. Indeed, it would not be too difficult to make up miniature shells from items readily available like the contents of fireworks, starting pistol blanks, lead and brass (though doing so would constitute a separate offence).

Andy.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Don't worry, he's already taken care of all of that stuff.

Focus on the lovely workmanship

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

Can't help feeling a little uncomfortable about this and the original thread.Howitzer wind up perpetuated? Well, like this possibly. Or am I just being an old cynic?

Rik

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

Andy …that worries me some what…I have been manufacturing spindles for over ten years these have an oil way and cross hole drilled into them …from the above description these would qualify as fire arms . Over 100 000 parts per year
Gulp!

[AndyfParticipant @andyf]

No need for the brown trousers, Jason. As I said, I was taking things to the point of absurdity, and perhaps I shouldn't have done.

Making something for a purpose which is entirely unconnected with firearms, but which could by some nefarious person be used as an improvised gun, wouldn't count. There would have to be an intent to make a firearm. I only mentioned the Firearms Act because Bob's model has an obvious connection with firearms, and thus (though a miniature of something much larger) might itself count as a firearm. Ady1 says Bob has that covered, so that's OK.

I speak not as someone opposed to firearms (in the right hands, of course). I own a couple of legal ones myself, though the populace may rest assured that my single shot .22 target rifles weighing 15lbs each are not the weapons of choice for a bank robber or mass murderer.

Andy

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

Andy ..that was all understood.. but the absurdity of uk( or EU law should not be underestimated…the dangerous weapons act (why the checkout sounds an alarm when you buy razor blades )..says "weapon" or something that can be made into a weapon….

….ask me about the use of kitchen roll tubes and cling film one day…….

.And what are the authorities going to make of the hand gun printed on a 3d printer…… Strange times indeed

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Posted by jason udall on 12/05/2013 23:57:46:

.And what are the authorities going to make of the hand gun printed on a 3d printer…… Strange times indeed

We are not going there, period.

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

Thank you for your comments. I am very well rehearsed in the UK firearms laws and can assure you this model has is being made in complience with them.

[Joseph RamonParticipant @josephramon28170]

I think we only have to look at Bob's photos and the commentaries on them to see this is a non-issue.

It WOULD be useful if a senior police officer were to produce a short article clarifying the law and giving guidance to modellers on what needs a licence and what should be done to make a potential firearm non-viable. I doubt that will happen.

In the meantime I suggest anyone modelling a gun has either a hole hidden in the underside of the barrel near the breech or plugs the barrel with a driven in hardened plug with the ends turned as two offset cones to stop it being drilled out.

Joey

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I wouldn't worry too much about any legal stuff

Showing Smoking on the TV is illegal, so much so that a rather good drama "Murder on the home front" hardly has a single smoker in it even though it is set in WW2 (On this thursday, 8 or 9pm) This is because the TV has such a huge influence on weak minded people

Last night at a friends, and channel hopping, we stopped just in time to see someone getting their head caved in with a claw hammer. Full on, splat splat splat splat stuff

The world has gone nuts. Just enjoy any decent bits we have left… like model engineering

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

if we could "Like" posts i would like that one

[MICHAEL WILLIAMSParticipant @michaelwilliams41215]

Hi Bob .

Just out of curiosity :

Did the real ones have one piece barrels as in your model or did they have the more complicated nested shrunk tubes arrangement ?

Michael Williams .

[ronan walshParticipant @ronanwalsh98054]

Posted by bob gould on 09/05/2013 09:52:53:

Given all the indubitable skills and talent on this forum; any ideas on how one would achieve that rifling??>>

I know that large bore short barrelled firearms , eg centrefire pistols- 9mm, 44's etc, can be rifled by having a reamer shaped broach pushed through the barrel. Rifles have a single point tool pulled through the barrel as it turns. Rifling is only a couple of thousands of an inch deep, but it looks a lot deeper on that cannon barrel. good article here   http://www.border-barrels.com/articles/bmart.htm

Edited By ronan walsh on 13/05/2013 21:11:51

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

Michael. Im not sure about the real ones but mine is in several sections.

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

update

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

cutting wheel rims

Edited By JasonB on 15/05/2013 11:45:53

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Bob/editor

As an aside; your page write up has appeared to stretch right over to the right hand side with a column of ads cutting through about 1/3 width of page on right side, it only appears on your write up as I have read other pages with photos & all are ok, within borders & ads in the normal page border on right side,could your pic size be affecting format, or compatability issue?

George

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Is that any better George?

It looked OK to me but I have put the text and photo onto two separate lines now.

J

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

Thank you Jason. Sometimes I can’t get a new line when posting pics!!

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

rims are ready

[bob gouldParticipant @bobgould42821]

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

Coming on nicely, Bob. Will you or the builder end up with a set of plans that could be sold or shared?

Neil

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

There have been guns in model engineer before now, this would be a good one there. Ian S C

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