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[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

Posted by derek hall 1 on 24/08/2022 19:10:50:has any leader thought about this and built some chip foundries in other Countries just in case???..!

Regards

Derek

Yes.

The problem is, another country that is currently investing heavily in chip tech is China. On the other hand this may be partly a sign that its leaders aren't privately so confident of successfully annexing Taiwan and taking over TSMC, the world's largest and most valuable semi-conductor company, as they and certain media outlets occasionally like to make out.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 24/08/2022 19:31:49

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Dave.

I see two perfecty reasonable comments of mine have been deleted by a moderator. In my opinion, that just weakens any counter argument.

The horse's mouth is the person saying it – and I never said they were more trustworthy. They should still be heard by everyone, warts & all.

That you're taking the Stonehenge thing so seriously is simply laughable – I heard they weren't going to stop until they got to Grimsby.

Oh, and I never mentioned coal. The USA was working to stop the Nord Stream 2 pipeline into Europe way, way before the Ukraine conflict. Now that everything from Russia has been cancelled, the USA is lined up to supply very much more expensive FOSSIL FUEL energy. It's just a coincidence though, I'm sure.

My (now deleted) comment to Derek Hall was to query which non-despotic and non-lying regimes he thought there were avaiable to us to trade with.

You assume that I'm in love with fossil fuels – I'm not. The global, systematic push away from fossil fuels at the pace it is going will have very serious consequences for many people & their families. The replacement technology is simply not yet developed. Also, the fact that you stated earlier that you could afford to pay £10 per litre (£45.50 per gallon) for petrol/diesel tells me you are detached from the realities of many other peoples lives

Martin.

[derek hall 1Participant @derekhall1]

Blow lamp I agree with you with the systemic push away from fossil fuels is definitely going to have serious consequences.

Sometimes in a crisis technology finds solutions, at least it focuses the minds of technologists and engineers, just like wars do!

As for sourcing fuel from non despotic and non-lying regimes it seems that the despotic and lying regimes are the ones that have the majority of easy accessible fossil fuel!

Regards

Derek

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by Paul Kemp on 24/08/2022 00:54:56:

Posted by duncan webster on 23/08/2022 22:59:24:

The renewable and nuclear guys get the same price for generation as gas, they must be making a fortune

Last time I spoke to Scottish Power their wind energy capacity was being sold at around 7p /kWh even at that ROI for a wind farm is a little over 5 years.

Paul.

Sounds like they've changed it. My understanding was that every day they held a sort of inverse auction for generation, but everyone got the same price as the one which filled the requirements

[Paul RhodesParticipant @paulrhodes20292]

Posted by derek hall 1 on 24/08/2022 20:42:19:

As for sourcing fuel from non despotic and non-lying regimes it seems that the despotic and lying regimes are the ones that have the majority of easy accessible fossil fuel!

Regards

Derek

How dare you refer to the SNP in such terms…………moderator !!

[derek hall 1Participant @derekhall1]

Posted by Paul Rhodes on 24/08/2022 20:48:44:

Posted by derek hall 1 on 24/08/2022 20:42:19:

As for sourcing fuel from non despotic and non-lying regimes it seems that the despotic and lying regimes are the ones that have the majority of easy accessible fossil fuel!

Regards

Derek

How dare you refer to the SNP in such terms…………moderator !!

Hahaha very good – !!!!!

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by blowlamp on 24/08/2022 20:16:03:…

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Also, the fact that you stated earlier that you could afford to pay £10 per litre (£45.50 per gallon) for petrol/diesel tells me you are detached from the realities of many other peoples lives

 

Martin.

Naughty Martin! What I actually said was:

As I'm low mileage and mildly well-off, I could pay up to about £10 per litre before having to think, though that's assuming other prices stay still, which they aren't. My son and daughter would not be able to sustain anything like that: they both live on a budget, and are both delighted the price of fuel didn't go past £2/litre and is dropping back.

You're welcome to your opinion I'm detached from other people's lives, but don't forget opinion without evidence is low value.

I wonder how long folk believe oil will last before it becomes expensive due to demand exceeding supply as the oil fields empty? The present disruption, which is not due to resource depletion, is just a hint of the trouble to come. My understanding is humanity has about 30 years to get off oil and gas before prices skyrocket. This isn't long in the scale of major infrastructure projects like Nuclear power.

Time to stop dithering and get on with it. Ignoring the evidence is high-risk because it leaves our children and grandchildren to cope with energy shortages and the consequences of climate change. Worldwide.

Dave

 

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 24/08/2022 22:14:37

[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 24/08/2022 22:12:18:

Time to stop dithering and get on with it. Ignoring the evidence is high-risk because it leaves our children and grandchildren to cope with energy shortages and the consequences of climate change. Worldwide.

Dave

The dithering has been going on for fifty years or more, Dave, hasn't it?

Two of the books I read as an undergraduate are "Man and Environment", by Robert Arvill, Penguin 1969, and "The Limits to Growth" (full text), published in 1972.

Much of what we're faced with today environmentally-speaking might have been either prevented or mitigated if the message of those books had been acted on.

[Clive IndiaParticipant @cliveindia]

So, what are you doing to bring any of this wisdom about – apart from armchair-pontificating at great length blaming everyone else on here?
Whose door are you banging down to bring it about?
Who are you eye-balling to make any constructive progress at all.
If anyone can answer this positively I will try to support you, but I doubt I will have the chance.

[File HandleParticipant @filehandle]

Apparently Russia are burning off the gas that they can't sell:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62652133
I wonder if anyone is traveling with superglue to stop it.
Without a world wide agreement anything we do will have no effect.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

I fear that it may be more of, "I'll burn it off so you can't have it, and will suffer in your way, just as we do because of your sanctions."

Politics is a very dirty world, IMO

Howard

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

If we can just ride out the 30 years until fusion power arrives everything will be ok.

Mike

[File HandleParticipant @filehandle]

Or wait for artificial photosynthesis to produce carbon fuels from carbon dioxide and water.

[Ian HewsonParticipant @ianhewson99641]

Anyone remember 1975 when we were told that the world had only 5 years oil left?

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Ian Hewson on 26/08/2022 18:42:41:

Anyone remember 1975 when we were told that the world had only 5 years oil left?

I remember being told at school that oil came from decomposed dinosaurs.

Martin.

[Clive IndiaParticipant @cliveindia]

Posted by Clive India on 26/08/2022 17:38:56:

So, what are you doing to bring any of this wisdom about – apart from armchair-pontificating at great length blaming everyone else on here?
Whose door are you banging down to bring it about?
Who are you eye-balling to make any constructive progress at all.
If anyone can answer this positively I will try to support you, but I doubt I will have the chance.

You missed it!

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

Most everything good is always 30 years away. Flying cars, unlimited energy, supreme gas mileage etc.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by blowlamp on 26/08/2022 19:47:20:

Posted by Ian Hewson on 26/08/2022 18:42:41:

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I remember being told at school that oil came from decomposed dinosaurs.

Martin.

Bad schools cause a lot of trouble!

[Ian HewsonParticipant @ianhewson99641]

So do government and others!

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 26/08/2022 21:49:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 26/08/2022 19:47:20:

Posted by Ian Hewson on 26/08/2022 18:42:41:

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I remember being told at school that oil came from decomposed dinosaurs.

Martin.

Bad schools cause a lot of trouble!

 

 

Well that's nuns for you! How did your school explain it to you?

Edited By blowlamp on 27/08/2022 10:39:58

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by blowlamp on 27/08/2022 10:37:40:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 26/08/2022 21:49:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 26/08/2022 19:47:20:

Posted by Ian Hewson on 26/08/2022 18:42:41:

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I remember being told at school that oil came from decomposed dinosaurs.

Martin.

Bad schools cause a lot of trouble!

Well that's nuns for you! How did your school explain it to you?

…

OMG we agree about something!

My teachers were all good. The chap who taught us Economics had served a prison sentence for smuggling western currency into Czechoslovakia and smuggling out Black Market goodies. Serious offences in a Communist country. Lucky to be released early by Dubcek as a goodwill gesture just before the Russians invaded, otherwise he'd have done the full 7 years …

Dave

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 27/08/2022 13:02:19:

Posted by blowlamp on 27/08/2022 10:37:40:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 26/08/2022 21:49:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 26/08/2022 19:47:20:

Posted by Ian Hewson on 26/08/2022 18:42:41:

…

I remember being told at school that oil came from decomposed dinosaurs.

Martin.

Bad schools cause a lot of trouble!

Well that's nuns for you! How did your school explain it to you?

…

OMG we agree about something!

My teachers were all good. The chap who taught us Economics had served a prison sentence for smuggling western currency into Czechoslovakia and smuggling out Black Market goodies. Serious offences in a Communist country. Lucky to be released early by Dubcek as a goodwill gesture just before the Russians invaded, otherwise he'd have done the full 7 years …

Dave

Some of the nuns at my school deserved imprisonment, but were protected by their peceived goodness. I'm not aware of any ex-cons being on the teaching staff there though.

I take it oil wasn't on the curriculum at your school?

Martin.

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