Universal Grinding machine construction series?

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Well John I hadn't thought of that – maybe that WOULD be a suitable project to tackle after an extended visit to a local watering hole.

When I look closely at it though – not something I would advise incidentally – it seems to resemble a couple of blowflies attending a photography course. Neil – please put me out of my misery!

Norman

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

"………..Like Andrew, I'd much prefer to learn about how to use a proper machine than watch someone attempt to reinvent the wheel………….."

Muzz, my thoughts entirely.

The avatar in question is a rocket propelled ceremonial Indian elephant with a howdah. I 'spose it's relevant on this site as people here often explain howdah do this and howdah do that! The rocket bit? Well its near November 5th innit?

Rik

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[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi There

I have not been offered this article.

If it was offered, I would have ran it.

I can only publish what I get offered.

As Diane is running tooling and machinery article series in ME perhaps it is time to start running models in Model Engineers' Workshop, not locomotives though. Perhaps a stationary steam engine or two.

I did pass the shaper article to Diane as well as a few other tooling articles to get her off to a good start with ME.

regards David

regards David

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by David Clark 1 on 21/10/2013 17:22:00:

… perhaps it is time to start running models in Model Engineers' Workshop, not locomotives though. Perhaps a stationary steam engine or two.

• No, thank you.

I did pass the shaper article to Diane as well as a few other tooling articles to get her off to a good start with ME.

• I wish you had not.

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Comments inserted as bullet points.

MichaelG.

[Keith LongParticipant @keithlong89920]

It seems to me that the senior management at MTM need to decide what market they want each of the magazines to appeal to. They have sister magazines in ME and MEW that should complement each other and between them cover most if not all of the "model engineering" field of activity. Up to now it seems that has largely been the case with ME in it's current guise concentrating on "models" and MEW on workshop techniques and tooling, each magazine appealing to a sub-set of "model engineers", and in some cases the engineers buying both magazines. As such the magazines can work together to try and corner the market and take readership from other rival publications. If the magazine content is now going to become "blurred" then the more likely outcome is that they will still appeal to those engineers that take both publications but will be of diminished interest to those who just take one or the other. The long term effect of that will be that the readers who just take one magazine will start to become disaffected and jump ship by cancelling, or more likely not renewing, subscriptions and then possibly then taking the other main rival publication to ME or MEW namely EIM. They are also quite likely to resort to just picking up the odd magazine now and then when they find something of interest while browsing it in WHS. So by going down the path of making ME and MEW "competitors" I think that MTM instead of boosting their readership will in fact almost hand readers to a rival publishing house on a plate, which seems a strange way to go about business.

Keith

[John CoatesParticipant @johncoates48577]

Keith

You have articulated my thoughts precisely. If I am continue to subscribe I want to know that the workshop stuff and tools will be in MEW and the models in the other one. If not then I too will browse in WHS and make my choice on a monthly basis.

ME and MEW in competition for the same readership seems bonkers but there are many changes going on and frankly subscribers seem to be at the bottom of the pile. We are spoken of derogatorily by those in charge and our wishes ignored.

Pan Am had much the same attitude and where are they now?

John

[Stephen BensonParticipant @stephenbenson75261]

I have to agree with Keith now MEW and ME are both covering the same topics it makes taking out a single subscription for one or the other just silly as you can bet your bottom dollar the series that you are most interested in will be in the other, best to just keep checking WH Smith.

[DustyParticipant @dusty]

C'mon guys, you are bleating and moaning about something you have no control over and never will have. Diane herself has control over if it is published or not, nothing else. It is not hers to give away to another magazine. The only person who has that control is the Author no one else. The only question you can answer is would you like to see it published,yes or no.That was the question Diane asked originally, not where.

[StovepipeParticipant @stovepipe]

Quite right, Dusty.

Dennis

[Steamer1915Participant @steamer1915]

A clear and concise appraisal of the situation Dusty. Well done.

Steve.

[Oompa LumpaParticipant @oompalumpa34302]

I would like to see it published.
And for the record I coulnt care less where as long as I can read it somehow.

graham.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

David, I think it would be valid to have a model in MEW as an instructional article on machining, work holding, marking out, and the use of hand tools, some beginners know nothing of any of this, and if there were something they could follow in practice, this would be a great help. Ian S C

[Gray62Participant @gray62]

Hi Dianne, has there been any progress on this article, or at least a taster of what it might be?

Is there a prototype machine, part built or complete that you could show to wet our appetite?

Regards

Graeme

[ChrisHParticipant @chrish]

David (as in DC1) – I think Ian S C's suggestion is great, a lot of articles can be made of what he suggests, and it would be of great use and interest to engineers who, whilst not novices in the engineering field, have never had to make stuff in the workshop, as well as for beginners to the hobby.

Sorry not to have commented on Ian's suggestion before, have only just come across this thread again,

Chris

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Ian & Chris

A few tortured clickings from my aged brain — didn't (Harold Hall?) write a series in MEW on machining the Stuart Turner 10V and 10H some years ago? If I'm right the objective, I think, was to demonstrate the various machining set ups. Again a hazy memory but I have a feeling that there was some negative comment on running "model construction" articles in MEW. If my memory is correct then I didn't agree with the detractors at the time and I don't now. What could be more helpful to the beginner than someone who knows demonstrating the way of going about making the model? The processes involved with small models are just the same as other projects but maybe smaller in size and a bit more fiddly. As with all things balance is important so I can't see why anyone should object to a degree of model input. Equally some "workshop specific" content in ME is OK by me too.

Norman

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

I think it would be interesting to see if a series could be done that bridged the gap between the two magazines. Different aspects in each mag, and written so that they stand alone, but those reading both magazines see the whole picture. We have seen a little of this with a build in ME and information about technical aspects of machining or casting in MEW.

Neil

[Gray62Participant @gray62]

Bump

Any news on this Diane?

[Gray62Participant @gray62]

Diane,

Is this still on your roadmap for ME or has it been shelved due to all of the naysayers?

If nothing else is going to happen, could you at least put some outline details of the machine and its builder in an upcoming magazine.

Regards

Graeme

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Just my thoughts, why two magazines when one covered all for a century, I thought this when MEW started, still think it now, I say Diane go for it. Ian S C

[Gray62Participant @gray62]

It has been some time since this thread was last updated and now at least we have a taster of what the machine looks like in the Vertex thread John, I have to congratulate you on what looks to be a terrific machine. Was this based on anything commercial ?

Diane, is there any likelyhood of this being published in ME in the near future.

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

Come on Diane, put us out of our misery

[colin hawesParticipant @colinhawes85982]

I would be happy to see it in Model Engineer. Colin

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I would be happier to see it in MEW … mainly because that's the mag to which I subscribe.

But mostly: I would like to see it published.

MichaelG.

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

I think it should be in MEW as it will probably attract a wider readership. Non model engineers would probably be more interested than model engineers but the interested model engineers could buy MEW for this series while non model engineers would be far less likely to buy Model Engineer for one article of interest.

[Gray62Participant @gray62]

Will you all stop harping on about which magazine you think this should be in!!

Diane was canvassing to see if she should publish it not which mag it goes in. If it doesn't go in ME we may never see it. If you are interested, then you can buy the odd copy of ME to follow this particular series if you don't subscribe.

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