Ukraine model engine factories

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[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Thanks for that – it's very interesting that a workshop of such casual appearance can produce such results.

How does the business work? Is it some kind of co-operative? Is there a sales deprtment? If each craftsman knows his part of the work in such detail, worker flexibility must be difficult or impossible to achieve – sickness or absence of each or any worker would presumably affect a range of their products. Are they self-employed (or local equivalent) or on a company payroll?

I'm just wondering whether there's any sort of an organisational model there that could work here?

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[Niels AbildgaardParticipant @nielsabildgaard33719]

Very interesting .

Thank You

The Profi V6 thing crank looks like a Schilling construction and I have never understood how they are made and kept together.

Are there some general marketing material,describtions etc available on the webfrom Ukraine?

My dream is a V2 twostroke test engine with common crancase and OHV,SV and normal piston exhaust using a common block and crank.

I have never been able to make a suitable crankshaft.

 

https://imgur.com/kgeUWsJ

https://imgur.com/sOCfRuu

https://imgur.com/SOqAT4f

 

 

Maybe the Ukranians can do it?

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[Ady1Participant @ady1]

People with real skills tend to do well, whether in a small group or as self employed, because they produce desirable products

Jewellery is a simple example

Edit: Much easier to survive nowadays because of the global reach of the internet, advertising is really really easy

Edited By Ady1 on 06/01/2019 11:29:09

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Just looked on ‘goggle’ and saw a profi 50 sold as limited production Austrian manufacture. Apparently sold for $2300.

Are these current models, some marketing ploys at work, or what?

I wonder how that 50cc dohc engine would fly in a moped frame!

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[colin wilkinsonParticipant @colinwilkinson75381]

Ref the DOHC Profi 50cc. Colin

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mh12/auction/lots/l448

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[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

I think it's a conspiracy to fool ME's into believing you can make really small parts on big machines and thus push up the prices for industrial plant.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

dean clarke 2 in here does this kind of stuff on huge machines

Haven't seen him in here for a while though, hope he's ok

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[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Thanks for that Barrie.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Posted by Barrie Lever on 06/01/2019 11:46:35:

The 50cc was made around 2008, I think it was actually sold by Czech company Mezick (spelling check required).

They made the 50cc because they could and to showcase their skills.

These guys at the factories don't have cunning marketing plans/ideas.

Barrie

I wasn’t really expecting that it was them. Either the seller or the auctioneers.

[DrDaveParticipant @drdave]

Thanks for posting those photos, Barrie. I used to drool over these F2A engines when Ian Mander was the UK agent for anything control line speed related. In the end my budget would only stretch to a second hand OPS. Sigh!

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[DrDaveParticipant @drdave]

Yes, I flew the OPS in Ian’s “speed trainer”. Very docile (& slow!), but I had an interesting moment when the down line broke when I tried to shut off the engine…

I never really got to grips with the fully asymmetrical ‘planes: it would inevitably turn in and eat the lines. I only got a few flights with the OPS in a proper model.

Respect, too, to anyone who flys a CL pulsejet!

Regards

Dave

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Posted by Barrie Lever on 06/01/2019 18:26:07:

I have a few take off issues, the dolly is ultra critical

I used to use Ian’s dolly, so pure pilot induced cock-ups. But with the thrust line outboard from the cg, there is an inward turning moment that bit me most times .

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