U Tube

[DalboyParticipant @dalboy]

Is it just me or are any of you noticing that many of them now are becoming just a selling platform so they can get free items from a supplier.

I use to subscribe to some of them but have now unsubscribed from those that keep doing this.

If I want to watch adverts(that is really what they are) then I will watch tv instead of working in the workshop

[DalboyParticipant @dalboy]

[Benedict WhiteParticipant @benedictwhite51126]

That does not apply to either my channel or the ones to which I subscribe.

I do review tools I buy though, usually from Lidl, as I was buying the tool anyway and people find them useful.

Which channels did you have in mind.

[RobCoxParticipant @robcox]

abom79 would be the first to spring to mind. It used to be a goldmine of machining tips, ended up being a product placement fest. I unsubbed after an hour long video de-rusting a chuck, pushing the rust remover. Needless to say, I fast forwarded through that video.

Some of the channels review stuff that they would have liked to buy, but were given for the princely sum of a review. If they make it clear its a review, you can always just not watch that video.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

youtube stuff needs serious filtering but there are still genuine nuggets amongst the product placement spam

The slicker and more professional canned presentations tend to be the less useful ones

If the guy looks like Worzel Gummidge on a bad day then useful stuff often follows

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

I agree that some have and I have unsubscribed from several, not watched Abomb since he sold his sole to the devil

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[Benedict WhiteParticipant @benedictwhite51126]

Posted by Ady1 on 20/09/2023 14:24:31:

youtube stuff needs serious filtering but there are still genuine nuggets amongst the product placement spam

The slicker and more professional canned presentations tend to be the less useful ones

If the guy looks like Worzel Gummidge on a bad day then useful stuff often follows

Have you anyone in mind as Worzel Gummidge?

[RobinParticipant @robin]

Abomb can be fun because he was given that enormous gantry mill with full CNC and just about manages to drill a few holes so long as the factory send someone to program it for him

Which Vevor tool would you choose given the opportunity? That mag drill sure looks like fun.

best

Robin

[Benedict WhiteParticipant @benedictwhite51126]

I'm not sure of the value of CNC unless you are making either a production run or making something complicated. Joe Pie shows what you can do both with and without and knows how to use both.

As for which Vevor tool I would choose, I have not looked at their range. I do have a mill vice I bought from either Arc or Chronos (can't remember which) and John over at Double boost reviewed that. In my service it seems good.

[larry phelan 1Participant @larryphelan1]

Any time I see someone on U Tube doing a Micky Mouse job in a workshop full of huge machines and all the latest gear, I just sigh and pass on. It,s quite clear that these guys are no Model Engineers [neither am I by-the-way ], no one could afford to buy such equipment and keep it so spic and span.

When I want to see guys making and repairing machines and equipment, I watch some of the clips from India and such places. What these guys can do with such basic tools and machines would open your eyes. OK, a few machine guards might not be out of place, and the footwear might not be ideal, but the results are something else !

It seems to be a case of "Needs must " and nothing fancy.

[HOWARDTParticipant @howardt]

I like Joe Pie, an experienced engineer willing to let us how to do many things relatively simply. But I agree for many it is all about money. I’m not sure but I think a lot of the rules and regulations changed over the last couple of years which made some people think again about being on there. Some previous weekly content has become less frequent and some almost never shows now. I know it takes a lot of dedication to create regular content and applaud those that manage to do it.

[Benedict WhiteParticipant @benedictwhite51126]

Larry, I agree on both parts. Thee Indian/Pakistani workshops are impressive. Also I came across a video on making a wood working bench for under $100!

Impressive! Using $20,000 or more worth or workshop machinery and a great work bench. Pointless. Paul Sellers on the other hand can do that (and has) with simple tools on the floor!

HowardT, it is hard work, particularly editing. If you do a job that takes 4 hours you can't just post that, it will need cutting down. Needs trying to get the right shots etc. Then there's always someone to pop a long and criticise.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

The Indian and kasbah type stuff is always quite interesting, and eye opening

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Posted by Benedict White on 20/09/2023 19:32:16:

HowardT, it is hard work, particularly editing. If you do a job that takes 4 hours you can't just post that, it will need cutting down. Needs trying to get the right shots etc. Then there's always someone to pop a long and criticise.

Thank you for not using this thread to link and promote your own videos.

I think a lot of people would find the editing a lot easier if they didn't turn the camera on until the job is finished. Thereby avoid any pictures of themselves, any 'oh look I've got lots of subscribers to my channel', any pictures of drilling holes and cutting bits of wood that a 5yr old know how to do, fumbling around for a tool because they didn't bother to make preparations etc.

Really all most of these videos need is a clear description of the end product at the beginning and a clear picture of the end product for more than 2 seconds at the end. If there are multiple parts clear pictures of them and some stages in their assembly. 15-30 seconds tops. Maybe metalworking videos are better made than the woodworking ones I mainly watch.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Posted by Dalboy on 20/09/2023 12:57:30:

Is it just me or are any of you noticing that many of them now are becoming just a selling platform so they can get free items from a supplier.

I use to subscribe to some of them but have now unsubscribed from those that keep doing this.

If I want to watch adverts(that is really what they are) then I will watch tv instead of working in the workshop

You’ve only just noticed?😆😆😆

Some give fave reviews for cheap chinese junk tools and some even appear to get free toys if they put up loads of advertising reviews and ‘sort-of’ questions. Anything to get the free advertising out to the viewers. The good reviews are few and far between, IMO

I’ve honestly only come across one tool review that was completely honest (highlighted the failures and not just emphasised the supposed positives. She only reviewed once, as her honesty obviously got her crossed off the ‘’reviews for favours’ list.

They are like politicians – only give good news and don’t address the real issues at all. What car reviewer would get free junket trips to far-away places if they did not give a good review (from the manufacturer’s POV).

It’s all to do with misleading the general gullible public!

[Benedict WhiteParticipant @benedictwhite51126]

Bazyle, there are all sorts of both YouTube channels and all sorts of viewers. Your approach would suit some but not all. No matter what style of video you do, there will always be someone who loves it and someone who hates it.

"It's too long"

"You missed out key details"

and so on. As I say, there is always someone to criticise.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

The other issue is the amount of stuff that is rubbish, wrong and often downright dangerous. I see a lot of links to electronic test equipment videos and the number of those that are just plain wrong is staggering. Even from presenters who are supposedly experts and some who make their living from it.

[RobinParticipant @robin]

Posted by Benedict White on 20/09/2023 15:52:13:

I'm not sure of the value of CNC unless you are making either a production run or making something complicated. Joe Pie shows what you can do both with and without and knows how to use both.

I too enjoy Joe Pie, it all works when he does it. Sadly I need CNC to get the same results. I don't have enough years left to get the practice in and do it his way.

Those Americans all seem to be using pre-hardened steel stock, usually from McMaster Carr. It can only be cut with carbide insert tooling giving an instant mirrorlike finish.

humph

Robin

[Benedict WhiteParticipant @benedictwhite51126]

Posted by Robin on 21/09/2023 10:05:43:

Posted by Benedict White on 20/09/2023 15:52:13:

Those Americans all seem to be using pre-hardened steel stock, usually from McMaster Carr. It can only be cut with carbide insert tooling giving an instant mirrorlike finish.

Joe uses HSS tooling. (I mostly use carbide on my Atlas lathe having only just fitted a quick change tool post to the Myford).

Good finishes are the result of the correct tool geometry, speed and feeds. Mostly, some materials are just awkward.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Can I post a link? I like This Old Tony, and not just because he sounds just like Alan Alda!

**LINK**

[Benedict WhiteParticipant @benedictwhite51126]

Vic, This Old Tony is great and has very skilfully made videos. That said I'd look to Joe's channel for advice.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Oh, I watch Joe Pie as well as several others.

[Adam MaraParticipant @adammara]

U Tube to me is a bit like the telly, loads of rubbish but gems as well. I follow a couple of posters on the CNC side, whoes video's were grest in helping build and set up my 3018 CNC router when I bought it, and again this year when I upgraded to a 4040 router, Yes, theres some product placement, but no more annoying than long advert breaks on the telly!

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Posted by Benedict White on 20/09/2023 14:47:58:

Posted by Ady1 on 20/09/2023 14:24:31:

youtube stuff needs serious filtering but there are still genuine nuggets amongst the product placement spam

The slicker and more professional canned presentations tend to be the less useful ones

If the guy looks like Worzel Gummidge on a bad day then useful stuff often follows

Have you anyone in mind as Worzel Gummidge?

He comes on here from time to time

[Benedict WhiteParticipant @benedictwhite51126]

I see you are trying to avoid trouble Dave….

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