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[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Michael,

Thought that hiding under a wooden door, wrapped in brown paper was splendid protection against a nuclear strike.

But since then have become MUCH more cynical!.

What would they di if you said that you would report them for causing you distress by their ageist behaviour?

Maybe the reply would  quote Heath and Safety?

Howard

Edited By Howard Lewis on 14/10/2022 14:07:43

[HowiParticipant @howi]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 14/10/2022 10:03:49:

Posted by Howi on 14/10/2022 09:38:51:

Just remember that age has one essential positive "experience".

As we seem to be heading for amageden due to Putins ego, and the world we know descends into chaos, the young (those that manage to survive) will be totally incapable of functoning due to the absence of the internet and smart phones suddenly becomming very dumb.

Who will they turn to?

Yup! thee an' me.

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I was working in the Defence business when this article was published: **LINK**

https://www.jstor.org/stable/24965240

It has haunted me ever since.

Highly recommended reading if you can find a copy.

MichaelG.

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Edited By Michael Gilligan on 14/10/2022 10:07:37

interesting reading, thank you for the link Michael

must try and get hold of the full article.

I note that the losses for the USA would be about 25% of population and 50% of industry. That to me would suggest that the USA would be in a better position than most countries to recover in a reasonable timescale.

Having followed the Ukraine war quite closely, the one factor that has surprised me is just how poor the performance of the forces of the Russian Federation has been.

I know it does not mitigate their overall destructive capability with nuclear weapons but numbers alone are not the final arbiter

MAD has always been the ultimate deterant, but that sadly does not take madmen into account.

On that note , have a nice day folks, the sun is shining and WW3 has niot yet started

Edited By Howi on 16/10/2022 13:07:43

[Anonymous]

Posted by Howi on 16/10/2022 13:06:15:

MAD has always been the ultimate deterant, but that sadly does not take madmen into account.

Doesn't have to be madmen: the maxim "with power comes great responsibility" is proven daily to be untrue.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Howi on 16/10/2022 13:06:15:

interesting reading, thank you for the link Michael

must try and get hold of the full article.

 

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I am still looking for a shareable link for a download … but meanwhile try this shorter article:

**LINK**

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1010685/pdf/westjmed00198-0049.pdf

MichaelG.

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Edit: __ of course the Scientific American  pricing isn’t outrageous:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-prompt-and-delayed-effects-of-n/

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 16/10/2022 21:05:37

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

It was the world at war or something like that, a chap standing next to someone he knew when the bomb went off and his pal was dead in a week while he was being interviewed around 1970 (or was it a she)

Edited By Ady1 on 17/10/2022 00:54:01

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 16/10/2022 20:56:54:

Posted by Howi on 16/10/2022 13:06:15:

interesting reading, thank you for the link Michael

must try and get hold of the full article.

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I am still looking for a shareable link for a download … but meanwhile try this shorter article:

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Edited By Michael Gilligan on 16/10/2022 21:05:37

When you first mentioned this in your 20,000th post, I immediately went away and downloaded a copy, but I've no idea now where I found it.
I seem to have forgotten to place a bookmark, and it's dropped out of my browser history.
However, see appendix 4 of this pdf from The Institute of Education Sciences.
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED229313.pdf

The first one I downloaded in May this year is better quality.

Bill

[PatJParticipant @patj87806]

I am reminded that I am aging, since many of my doctors, dentist, etc. are retiring.

The AARP keeps sending me membership paperwork, trying to get me to join (I am not retired).

My wife and I attended an outdoor festival the other day, and the woman at the entrance booth to one look at us and said "I can give you a senior citizens discount".

I said "No thanks, we WANT to pay full price".

I was thinking that Greta Thurnberg phrase "How Dare You !".

My wife said "Discount is fine", overriding the old man (thanks a lot honey).

I may look old, but I don't feel old, and I don't think old.

I still have my CR500, and ride it on occasion when I get time.

I hope to be buried with my trusty CR500. No finer bike in my opinion.

I just laugh when people say silly stuff like "you need help with that", or "can I help you step up here?".

I think to myself "If they could only see my 'ride' ".

You are only as old as what you ride.

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This is not my photo, but this is exactly the same bike I have.

When I die, they will have to pry it out of my hands.

230 lbs, 60 hp, quite a handful if you open the throttle.

1/4 turn on the grip gives full throttle.

Its a breathtaking machine to ride; and lifetaking if you are not careful.

 

Edited By PatJ on 17/10/2022 03:50:06

Edited By PatJ on 17/10/2022 03:50:56

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Bill

Thanks for the reminder that I had previously cited the full reference

I’ve just tried searching explicitly for that ^^^

Now [you being a clever chap], can you offer any reasonable explanation of this response from Google [which I have arrowed in Green] ?

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I know I’m getting old, but I can still count to 32 and I do know what a word is

MichaelG.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 17/10/2022 06:43:07:

… can you offer any reasonable explanation of this response from Google [which I have arrowed in Green] ?

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I know I’m getting old, but I can still count to 32 and I do know what a word is

MichaelG.

Might be due to what Google thinks a word is! Or a bug.

I prefer duckduckgo to Google because it claims not to harvest private information. Duckduckgo and Firefox coped OK with a search for "The Prompt and Delayed Effects of Nuclear War Author(s): Kevin N. Lewis Source: Scientific American, Vol. 241, No. 1 (July 1979), pp. 35-47 Published by: Scientific American, a division of Nature America, Inc."

The answer is almost a Google-whack, which is an internet query with only one answer. It points to an earlier post in which Michael mentions this article.

On the subject of 'Protect and Survive' being crass, I suggest not. It's much more brutal than that! Sat on my fat bottom this morning, it's unthinkable that a charming Russian I've never met, who knows nothing about me, my family, or how I live, might be ordered to launch a nuclear strike that kills me! Yet it is so.

Protect and Survive wasn't intended to protect individuals and maintain heir way of life against Armageddon. Rather, it recognised that there will be some survivors and that their number can be increased by taking simple precautions. There's a zone where people outdoors are burned and injured by flying debris and both are avoided by hiding under the stairs even though the house is severely damaged. Protect and Survive's purpose was to provide a nucleus from which some sort of recovery might be possible. Individuals only count in so far as they help the group to recover. When the bomb drops, we we do whatever is necessary to survive. Life in the raw, and very nasty – no-one will be paid a pension…

Dave

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 17/10/2022 06:43:07:

Bill

Thanks for the reminder that I had previously cited the full reference

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I know I’m getting old, but I can still count to 32 and I do know what a word is

MichaelG.

No idea what happened there, as I'm unable to replicate the problem.
The only think I can think of, is that you may have copied and pasted the name of the title and author, and inadvertently included some invisible control or formatting codes, which Google has interpreted as words.

I failed to find a free link to the whole document (13 pages) via Google this time, so it's possible that when I first looked, I logged in to my free JSTOR account, and downloaded it from there, but they have since added restrictions to this specific document.
(the actual title of the one on my hard drive is; "scientificamerican0779-35 prompt and delayed effects of a nuclear war.pdf" )
The link I provided earlier where a poor scanned copy is listed as Appendix 4 of a different document was found via Yandex; Duck Duck, Yahoo, Bing etc failed to come up with anything, though I do understand why folks may prefer not to use Yandex.

If you want a copy of a decent pdf, let me know and I'll send it to you.

Bill

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 17/10/2022 10:38:01:

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Duckduckgo and Firefox coped OK with a search for "The Prompt and Delayed Effects of Nuclear War Author(s): Kevin N. Lewis Source: Scientific American, Vol. 241, No. 1 (July 1979), pp. 35-47 Published by: Scientific American, a division of Nature America, Inc."

The answer is almost a Google-whack, which is an internet query with only one answer. It points to an earlier post in which Michael mentions this article.

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But there must be more to a successful search than that ^^^ Dave

The quoted text is a proper Librarian-esque reference which [surely?] will itself appear in many documents.

MichaelG.

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