The Car as an extension to the Work Place !!

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Here's a refreshingly sensible ruling from the Advertising Standards Aithority:

**LINK**

https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/jaguar-land-rover-ltd-a16-357750.html

In my opinion, their analysis is good.

… What do others think ?

MichaelG.

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N.B. … before anyone whines about relevance … This is a Tea Room topic.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Three Cheers for the ASA …

[Roger Williams 2Participant @rogerwilliams2]

Michael, too many distractions during driving without putting phones in cars as well. Too many people being killed because of them. My son was lucky to escape with his life , the result of a selfish moron on his mobile. So, in responce to anyone who insists on using a phone whether hands free or not, you are a twat. Rant over.

[John FlackParticipant @johnflack59079]

Given that jaguar export motor vehicles worldwide, could it be that driving regulations else where are not as stringent as theUK???????

Our last three family cars had radios, CD players aux sockets and sun roofs none of which were ever used during ownership. These were necessary in order to obtain automatic transmission. Gimmicks or technical advancements?

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Bring on driverless cars, then we wont have to worry about multi functioning drivers, if the drive on the phone makes a cock up, just hope that is to do with what he is talking on the phone about, and not his/her diving.

Ian S C

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

I agree, Michael, the ruling was sensible. However it should be remembered that driving is not the only activity that is dangerous while using mobile phones. The other day I was driving down a narrow road and a woman pushing a small child in a pushchair was walking along the pavement while talking on a phone. Without warning or looking she turned and pushed the pushchair out into the road with the intention of crossing. Fortunately my reactions are still good but she seemed most unconcerned!

Russell

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

More to the point – This is where your tax has been spent upholding complaints such as this. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess as to how much the complaint has cost tax payers. I do not consider it a false claim by jaguar, no more than using a "Transit" style van which is used in the workplace. I was hoping that one of the reasons for Brexit was to reduce bureaucracy- sadly I am wrong (again).
BobH

[Brian WoodParticipant @brianwood45127]

I experienced the system in operation in the last few days while visiting our daughter who is on leave to care for the final days in her husband's life; her Toyota car is equipped with this technology and she was able to check her work diary directly with the office while taking my wife and I to the hospital.

​There was no drama or hands off activity, it was all done by voice command and no more intrusive on her driving concentration than talking to us while we were with her.

​As Russell reported, we had a similar experience, on the same journey, with a silly fool who walked into traffic while texting, head down and completely oblivious to the tortured howls of rubber and blasts of horns while doing so.
​How he managed to cross the road in that way without injury was bordering on miraculous.

​So yes, I would back the technology whole heartedly.

​Brian

 

Edited By Brian Wood on 11/03/2017 11:16:39

[Roger Provins 2Participant @rogerprovins2]

Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 11/03/2017 10:37:14:

I agree, Michael, the ruling was sensible. However it should be remembered that driving is not the only activity that is dangerous while using mobile phones. The other day I was driving down a narrow road and a woman pushing a small child in a pushchair was walking along the pavement while talking on a phone. Without warning or looking she turned and pushed the pushchair out into the road with the intention of crossing. Fortunately my reactions are still good but she seemed most unconcerned!

Russell

The same happened to me. Women with a child in pushchair and yaking on her phone. Without looking she walked straight off the pavement in front of me. I had to brake hard to stop in time. All I got was an angry glare whilst she carried on talking!

Rog

[Roger Provins 2Participant @rogerprovins2]

Hands free phone is equally distracting!

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Brian Wood on 11/03/2017 11:15:44:

… There was no drama or hands off activity, it was all done by voice command and no more intrusive on her driving concentration than talking to us while we were with her.

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Brian,

I have no poblem with "the technology" … but there is, I think, one big difference:

When talking with those that are physically with you in the car, it is much easier to shut them up.

MichaelG.

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, over ten years ago now, I used to have callout duties. I had a hands free mobile phone in my car just for this purpose really, however one time I was called by my boss while driving and I was actually distracted by the conversation due to the nature of the breakdown at work, this I have never forgotten and apart from the law, I never use my mobile phone now to anybody while actually driving. I will say that the distraction that I had, did not put anyone in danger at the time, but it proved to me that it could very easily have been so, and after that particular time I would stop and call anybody back if I needed too. I don't currently have a hands free in my car and have no intention of doing so, and if my phone rings I will not answer it on any occasion, but will stop at a safe and convenient place to call back or to ignore, even if its an hour or mores driving.

Regards Nick.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Roger Provins 2 on 11/03/2017 11:23:06:

Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 11/03/2017 10:37:14:

I agree, Michael, the ruling was sensible. However it should be remembered that driving is not the only activity that is dangerous while using mobile phones. The other day I was driving down a narrow road and a woman pushing a small child in a pushchair was walking along the pavement while talking on a phone. Without warning or looking she turned and pushed the pushchair out into the road with the intention of crossing. Fortunately my reactions are still good but she seemed most unconcerned!

Russell

The same happened to me. Women with a child in pushchair and yaking on her phone. Without looking she walked straight off the pavement in front of me. I had to brake hard to stop in time. All I got was an angry glare whilst she carried on talking!

Rog

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I think this supports the ASA argument …

If even that ultimate 'multi-tasking' creature [the young mother] can't cope; what hope is there for mere mortals driving cars ?

MichaelG.

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P.S. … This is worth a look:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/traffic-lights-pavement-smartphone-users-look-down-dutch-pedestrians-netherlands-a7584081.html

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 11/03/2017 11:42:17

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

It's those stupid adverts for an in-car 'smart' camera that imply you can photograph bird(!) on the move then end by telling you not to use while while driving that get my goat.

Neil

[John FlackParticipant @johnflack59079]

I find it curious that drivers are subject to a series of NO NOS in respect of phones, alcohol etc but pedestrians are exempt. From above comments distracted pedestrians are just as likely to be the cause of an accident, but we,or they cannot enforce current legislation on motoring. I guess seizing a pushchair and child for non payment of an on the spot fine might seem harsh, but would certainly concentrate the mind. Not sure how 6 points and a ban would work!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

Had to avoid a person on their phone and dropped my razor in my cornflakes

Mike

[John FlackParticipant @johnflack59079]

Mike

That's what happens when you indulge in unnatural practices.

Santa Claus. HO. HO. HO

[Chris Evans 6Participant @chrisevans6]

A friend of mine lost a leg in a motorcycle accident when someone reversed out of a driveway whilst on the phone. I think the driver received a paltry fine, my friend will never work again and just sits in the pub all day staring at a pint.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Tonight on TV there was a program on this subject, it was Australian, but I suspect the figures are fairly universal, they quoted 20% of road deaths could be traced to electronic devises such as cell phones and GPS. One featured crash involved a driver distracted by he GPS, missed the sign on a country road that a T intersection was coming up, drove straight into a car, killing 4, and injuring 1, also hit a truck, driver uninjured, the driver of the offending car survived, and went to court, sentenced to 2 years, got off with 80 days.

Another one was a young girl, had been on a long trip, and just got back to where she had cell phone coverage. Her car move onto the wrong side of the road and she hit a truck. No drink or drugs, but her undamaged cell phone was found near by, in the 10 minutes up to the collision she had sent 20 text messages.

Ian S C

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Not so sure about the danger from GPS. Surely much safer than trying to read a map while driving and it gives spoken directions much more clearly than my wife.

At least instructions are given in good time rather than saying, "I think you should have turned right there."

Russell

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Even radio and heating controls can be a problem when you have to reach over for them. Some cars are finally getting more ergonomic designs and controls on the steering wheel.

I'm mostly driving alone but do find the 'head stuck in phone' from a passenger rather rude. I drove one of our engineering trainees across the Forth Bridge twice on his first ever trip to Scotland and as a civil engineering graduate the view of the new bridge under construction on one side and the railway bridge on the other should have made his day but he didn't look up from his phone.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Speedy Builder5 on 11/03/2017 10:47:34:

More to the point – This is where your tax has been spent upholding complaints such as this. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess as to how much the complaint has cost tax payers. I do not consider it a false claim by jaguar, no more than using a "Transit" style van which is used in the workplace. I was hoping that one of the reasons for Brexit was to reduce bureaucracy- sadly I am wrong (again).
BobH

Another Post-Truth 'factoid'.

From the ASA werbsite: "The ASA is funded by advertisers through an arrangement that guarantees our independence. Also, we receive no Government funding and therefore our work is free to the tax payer."

Neil

[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

Where I work we have a site wide ban on moving around when using mobile phones. This is because vehicles such as battery powered lift trucks move around relatively quietly and often the driver has poor visibility due to the mast in front of them and sometimes the load as well. Instructions are to move to a safe location and then use the phone without moving around. When I see someone moving when using a mobile anywhere now I think they should be standing still. My colleagues have reported similar feelings. When we have tried to tell people who are walking when using their phone on the site that they need to stand still we have had problems getting their attention. I have even had one person telling me that they were standing still while they kept on walking.

Martin

[steamdaveParticipant @steamdave]

Posted by John Flack on 11/03/2017 13:09:59:

I find it curious that drivers are subject to a series of NO NOS in respect of phones, alcohol etc but pedestrians are exempt. From above comments distracted pedestrians are just as likely to be the cause of an accident, but we,or they cannot enforce current legislation on motoring. I guess seizing a pushchair and child for non payment of an on the spot fine might seem harsh, but would certainly concentrate the mind. Not sure how 6 points and a ban would work!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody has mentioned CYCLISTS. Have no insurance, pay no road tax but think they own the road as they weave around slowing up other traffic which cannot safely pass.

Over here (Ireland) a new law allows a cyclist to report a driver to the Gardai for driving too close to them! Guess who's word is believed?!

Dave
The Emerald Isle

Edited By steamdave on 12/03/2017 14:10:43

[FatgadgiParticipant @fatgadgi]

Not sure how this topic became a rant at cyclists, but the law may probably believe the account of a cyclist over that of some motorists for very good reason. 3 feet clearance, which I guess is what some drivers are winginging about, at a possible closing speed of 45mph on country roads is nothing.

The problem is a tiny minority of idiots who think that they should make a point, or feel it's the car's right. Pathetic.

I'm a cyclist (sure you've guessed) and like the vast majority of cycling adults, I own a car and pay shed loads of tax. And I cause less nasty stuff to be pumped into the atmosphere (unless it's after a curry night), cause less strain on the NHS hopefully and I don't do a lot of damage to the roads.

Finally, I'm a member of a cycling organisation, so I'm also insured, if that has any relevance !!

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