Sunbeam B24 350cc 1939

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[lee websterParticipant @leewebster72680]

I've restored cars in worse condition. It just takes time, energy and money. A very interesting project!

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

That bike is in perfect shape for restoration, everything standard. The only parts that need scrapping are the tyres and tubes.

There is a never ending thread on motorcycle related themes, this one would be better there.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Is it being restored as hobby or to make money. If the latter, one in rather better condition has an expected auction price of £3,400 – 3,800. So worth doing if it can be restored, time and parts, for that sort of money.

But plenty of people enjoy bringing old vehicles back to life, and for them the hobby aspect of restoration offsets the financial negatives considerably. Horrible to spend months slaving to fix up an old banger in hope of a handsome profit only to find no-one wants it! Another thing entirely to get months of pleasure out of a fascinating hobby, with no need to worry about filthy lucre.

Dave

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

My friend has restored an AJW which he dug out of a ditch in much worse condition than that Sunbeam. It was for the joy of the restoration not profit, and it gets ridden regularly every summer.

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[Grindstone CowboyParticipant @grindstonecowboy]

Not wanting to start an argument, but it is under the Vehicle Restoration section, and has a fully descriptive title. Would be more likely to get lost amongst the more general motorcycle thread IMHO.

Rob

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[Gerard O’TooleParticipant @gerardotoole60348]

It is well worth restoring. It dates from the short period when Sunbeam were owned by AMC ( Matchless) . They only bought Sunbeam from ICI a couple of years earlier. And, because of the war and the demand for the G3L for the Army production ended soon afterwards, in 1940 or 41.

Sunbeam was alferwards sold to BSA but don't think they ever revives these early bikes.

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[Robert ButlerParticipant @robertbutler92161]

CT the parts may not be as elusive as you think. There appears to be an owners club – but it has a far wider membership and appeal. Potential buyers would die for a machine as complete as this. Don't you dare scrap it!

Robert Butler

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[vintage engineerParticipant @vintageengineer]

Don't restore it. Put some new tyres on it, get running and use it as it is!

[David Davies 8Participant @daviddavies8]

I suggest that you join either the Sunbeam OC or the Vintage Motorcycle Club. These clubs will give you all the advice you need an be able to point you in the direction of specialist spares stockists.

HTH

Dave

[David Davies 8Participant @daviddavies8]

I suggest that you join either the Sunbeam OC or the Vintage Motorcycle Club. These clubs will give you all the advice you need an be able to point you in the direction of specialist spares stockists.

HTH

Dave

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[JAParticipant @ja]

If it runs and is safe, use it:

1. Too many bikes are just restored and then never seen.
2. Using it will tell you a lot about the bike, its failings and what is nice about it.

As already stated Sunbeam was, by then, owned by AMC (Matchless Motorcycles changed their name to AMC when they bought Sunbeam). Although no productions figures exist I doubt if many were made (perhaps one batch of about 500 in 1939).

JA

Just seen your comment about probate. I would put down a nominal sum since it has little value unless restored. Keep the Probate Office and Inland Revenue (if necessary) informed. In my one experience as an, or the active, executor I did not have any problems at all with either of these organisations. I would be more worried about other beneficiaries.

 

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[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by C T on 15/01/2023 20:21:38:

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As part of the probate process I have needed a valuation. I tried three dealers one recommended by the solicitors each with laughter said "no value bud far beyond resurrection".

Hence my question.

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For the purposes of probate … You have your answer

That leaves you “Quids-in” to get on with the restoration

Treat it as a fitting memorial to your father.

MichaelG.

[JimmieSParticipant @jimmies]

CT

The Marston Sunbeam Club and Register specialises in pre-war 'Beams.

http://www.marston-sunbeam.org.

Jim

[CHAS LIPSCOMBEParticipant @chaslipscombe64795]

Anyone who sent this motorcycle to scrap or sold bits off it should be publicly castrated for vandalism in my opinion

This is a rare model – a historic survival and should be l,ovingly restored, in my opinion by someone who is an old bike enthusiast. Unfortunately the solicitors and the dealers who "advised" you know nothing of its real value and are talking through their anatomy. Some things are worth more than money. My suggestion is to put it up for auction through a reputable auctioneers who specialise in the sale of old motorcycles e.g. H&H auctions, Cheffins or Bonhams.

Dont make the mistake of "preparing it for auction" it is best left in its original condition. Mike Smith of H&H amongst others would be happy to advise, I'm sure. As JimmieS suggests, it would be a big help to contact the Sunbeam club for their advice about this bike

Chas

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 15/01/2023 16:48:25:

Is it being restored as hobby or to make money. If the latter, one in rather better condition has an expected auction price of £3,400 – 3,800. So worth doing if it can be restored, time and parts, for that sort of money.

You obviously have not restored a motorcycle in recent years. That sort of money would be lucky to cover the cost of the required parts (and there will be many inside the engine and gearbox and magneto etc needed), paint work and chrome and zinc plating to bring it to fully restored standard. Then the tank may well be rusted out inside and need major expensive surgery. And on and on. You would get nowt for your labour doing it all. And there would be an easy 500 hours in that restoration, possibly as many as 1,000 if it is bad inside. There is no money to be made restoring old motorbikes anymore. Costs have skyrocketed. But demand for bikes of this era has not. Japanese classics of the 1970s and 80s seem to be flavour of the month right now with $25,000 (12,500 Quid) Kawasaki 900s and Honda 4s etc being common.

Personally though, I would not restore that bike. Just freshen it up mechanically and ride it as is. Unrestored survivors — the legendary "barn find" — are increasingly rare these days and worth good money, in some cases more than a fully restored model.

Probably worth a few quid as is, being a rare model and being so unusually complete and unmolested. Plenty of bikes have been restored from far less and far worse beginnings.

+1 on contact the Sunbeam owners club or your local vintage or classic bike club for an idea on its value. Dealers would not have a clue on this kind of stuff. If you put it up for auction and publicise it well it could draw a lot of interest.

And +1 on don't do anything to get it ready for auction. 'As found" is what people want and will pay for. Hosed down and scrubbed up it just looks like someone's unfinished project and has lost its originality.

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[SakuraParticipant @sakura]

Correct in all areas Hopper.

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[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

I know nothing of the total value of the estate, but for probate purposes you might be better off using the zero valuation you have from the dealer.

[Chris Evans 6Participant @chrisevans6]

The BSA on my Avatar was very incomplete and in worse condition than the Sunbeam when I started to rebuild it.

Lots of happy hours in the workshop have a value to me, sure I would lose money if I sold it but that misses the point.Rebuild for mechanical reliability and safety that will keep its value up and not consume thousands on cosmetics. Do you know if the engine turns ?

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