Stuart ‘No.1’ : a beginners tale..

[Nick_GParticipant @nick_g]

Posted by JasonB on 22/05/2014 14:39:39:

Yes if the reamer is not running true it can bore a bigger size. A bit less likely with a machine reamer which tends to have quite short flutes at the end and a narrower shank but if you do it with a hand reamer then the tapered tip will follow the hole but as you advance it more the long side cutting flutes will start to make the hole larger. Not helped on an engine where the two bearings are far apart like Allan's so you are inserting teh whole reamer.

Nick if you want to start an new thread then I'll move anything including this answer there.

That can be Allans call.

I was only trying to raise points to try to help him not get a cold shower. As a newbie myself I am also learning from his excellent threads and the questions he is raising.

I asked the question in 'his' thread thinking it relevant so that he would be sure to see it.!

In hindsight, Allan had probably already considered the 3 / 4 jaw runout potential. – I will STFU next time.

Nick

[GarryCParticipant @garryc]

Nick if you want to start an new thread then I'll move anything including this answer there.

That can be Allans call.

Yes please.

I will STFU next time.

sounds good to me.

Allan.

[Bob Brown 1Participant @bobbrown1]

Starting to sound like a bunch of children, I don't get it!

[GarryCParticipant @garryc]

Hi Bob, Sadly its a dead cert lots of others won't either..

Ah well all good things….

I'm only here as a home for my model engineering project, someone will no doubt let me know if I need to clear off..

Anyways for what its worth I've just had a brilliant few hours in the workshop starting to bore my bearings…

I did as Jason suggested and used the corner of one of the grinding wheels, a slight tap with the hammer (I put a rag over as John suggested) – it snapped so easily I think I could have used my fingers… Two seconds to do.. I spent ages trying to cut with a hacksaw – will never try that again..!

The little tool after grinding back to length for the boring bar..

Setting up to bore the bearings on the lathe. I couldn't get this quite perfect due to the still slightly bad hole – as a result of having to re-solder earlier..

Starting to use the between ctrs boring bar. This is working like a dream, really great to be using after making it. No signs of any problems with the tool grabbing or anything like that, smooth as you like….

Starting to use the between ctrs boring bar 2. You can see that the bearings needed to be lined up by boring or drilling etc – in situ

I found it very enjoyable and yet another first for me..

Regards and maybe goodbye this time I think. I just can't put up with any more ill mannered people.. I need to join a local club I think and give that a go..

Allan

 

Edited By Allan. on 22/05/2014 18:23:40

Edited By Allan. on 22/05/2014 18:24:14

Edited By Allan. on 22/05/2014 18:30:06

[Bob Brown 1Participant @bobbrown1]

time to get my coat!

[Martin CottrellParticipant @martincottrell21329]

What the hell happened here then??? When I went to bed last night everything in the workshop was rosy, come back from work tonight and find a pram surrounded with discarded toys!! Not even SWMBO can pull a mood swing that fast and believe me that's saying something!

Seriously though, this had so far been an extremely interesting and informative thread with some quality input and advise. Several contributors have collectively and individually spent a lot of their time and given it freely to assist a newcomer and anyone else who happens to be following the thread. Rather ill mannered I think to flounce off without so much as a thankyou.

Regards, Martin.

[paul raynerParticipant @paulrayner36054]

Allan

I'm sure I'm not just speaking for myself "come back" I'm learning such a lot from your postings and the reply's

especially Jason who has gone to quite some extremes to help guide , not only you but probably many more novices like myself of which I personally am very great full so please reconsider.

regards

Paul

[DullnoteParticipant @dullnote]

Hi Allan please keep the thread going, regarding Nicks comment it was not bad, he did suggest a valid issue, being inexperienced myself, I was thinking the same thing.

Think the best way forward is to only make comments on your project, if Nick had worded it " are you using a three or four jaw chuck to hold your reamer" none of the toys would have been thrown out of the pram.

Don't let this spoil a great thread, I am learning so much

[Alan .204Participant @alan-204]

Posted by Martin Cottrell on 22/05/2014 22:29:54:

What the hell happened here then??? When I went to bed last night everything in the workshop was rosy, come back from work tonight and find a pram surrounded with discarded toys!! Not even SWMBO can pull a mood swing that fast and believe me that's saying something!

Seriously though, this had so far been an extremely interesting and informative thread with some quality input and advise. Several contributors have collectively and individually spent a lot of their time and given it freely to assist a newcomer and anyone else who happens to be following the thread. Rather ill mannered I think to flounce off without so much as a thankyou.

Regards, Martin.

Couldn't agree more Martin well put, if that's how he reacts he's gone down in my estimation.

Al.

[ChrisHParticipant @chrish]

If this is the end of the thread then I for one will be sad as it is giving me and many others I am sure so much interest and eye-opening information in how things are done.

I don't think Nick meant to interfere in a nasty way, he was just highlighting an issue which may or may not have been considered but which might have caused a problem later – and he apologised right away for upsetting Allen, so good on him there. An innocent 'mistake' made for the best of intensions I am sure.

What all we commentators here do not know is what other pressures or events or occurrences or whatever were in Allan's life yesterday. Maybe he was having a generally crap day and one more straw broke the camel's back. It happens to all of us. As a fully paid up Grumpy Old Git I know this only too well!

So come back Allen, we miss you!

Chris

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Allan, I think one of the problems with threads like this, and the net over all is that it is a different way of communicating, it's different to how we have been used to face to face, where we can hear each other, and the tone of voice, and see each other, and read the body language, in other words it is a bit restricted in how we talk to each other. Just a speed bump, please carry on, thanks for letting us join you in the build so far. Ian S C

[Steven VineParticipant @stevenvine79904]

Posted by Ian S C on 23/05/2014 11:24:11:

Allan, I think one of the problems with threads like this, and the net over all is that it is a different way of communicating, it's different to how we have been used to face to face, where we can hear each other, and the tone of voice, and see each other, and read the body language, in other words it is a bit restricted in how we talk to each other. Just a speed bump, please carry on, thanks for letting us join you in the build so far. Ian S C

Spot on Ian. It's the lack of face to face that causes things to kick off, with many toys out of prams.

Please carry on Allan, you've brought us this far, thanks. I want to see how the crankshaft fits your corrected bearing etc. I'm not gonna beg though.

Steve

[Nick_GParticipant @nick_g]

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Dear, oh dear. Oh deary-deary me.!

As the person that caused Allan offence I feel that perhaps I should post.

Allan, I am aware that I have in some way offended you. Though for the life of me I am a total blank as to why.? I was, as I said previously only trying to prevent you getting on the wrong end of a cold shower. But offence I have somehow caused.

Allan, There is a difference. And a very big one.! in offending someone deliberately or accidentally. I can assure you it was the latter. But the fact that I have in some unknown way I am willing to accept.

I would imagine the sites management would prefer you not to go as you post regular, interesting, popular, well illustrated and authored threads that result in the education of many others. – Just the sort of thing that makes a sites other members keep coming back. I certainly include myself as one of your thread followers.

I don't know how savvy you are regarding internet forum sites. But generally the view is (certainly on other sites) providing the replies stay on topic and relevant to the opening post then all is OK – I feel my remark / question was. An internet forum thread is not anyone's personal baby in the same way a model you have crafted is.

Allan, You mentioned in a previous post on this site how you planned at some stage to visit the steam museum in Bolton. I don't live that far from Bolton. If you ever make that trip I will come and buy you a nice lunch. – I cannot throw down more of an Olive branch than that.

So I personally would prefer you not to go as this site would be poorer. I also feel sure many others think similar.

Best regards, Nick

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

In the 'code of conduct' there is a warning about hijacking a thread. Even so, a beginner's thread is going to attract further questions from others. I don't think asking Jason for clarification on the issue in hand counts as hijacking.

The door is open for members to return to this forum after a break for reflection. Lets not close it for anyone by speculating on the cause of offence.

Neil

[GarryCParticipant @garryc]

Heck the waters here certainly seem to run very shallow, its doesn't take very much to hit your head on the bottom that's for sure!

The necessity to look after and protect the time, effort and commitment invested in a long term project has to be strong to have any chance of succeeding – doesn't seem to be understood here – there are likely more dreamers here than I realised.

The grasp of the english language doesn't seem to be that good either – I only said I may stop posting, I'm not going to disappear but I am convinced that this is not the place to commit to another long term engine build and very grateful to have found out so early on in my new project. Thankfully the internet is a big place.

Some of the comments were very supportive, I'm grateful and pleased to see them, many thanks to those who did so. There were some who I thnk said I was 'off' without saying thanks to those who had been helping me – blatantly not true to those that can read and quite offensive. Any long term project will have its ups and downs and needs some understanding of that from others – I wonder why there are not many long term projects on here!

I will stay 'about' and may even post from time to time in the future, certainly nothing to do with my current project though and will make use of the 'ignored members' list straight away…

Best wishes to any friends I still have on here, you know who you are..

Allan.

[Martin CottrellParticipant @martincottrell21329]

Anyone got a bin bag we can put all these toys and olive branches in, it's getting a bit untidy in here?!

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Not useful I think Martin.

N

[Steven VineParticipant @stevenvine79904]

Posted by NJH on 24/05/2014 17:34:01:

Not useful I think Martin.

N

No, but it is true. Come on, we are all grown men around here, just clear the air, draw a line, and move on for chrissakes.

Steve

[Steve WithnellParticipant @stevewithnell34426]

To Ian's point, when we started rolling out eMail at work in the late 80's early 90's, there was quite a bit of the irate "what did you mean by that!!!" going on, when in fact nothing at all was meant, it was just people were not used to the media and needing to understand that eMails need a bit more thought than face to face or even telephone communications. Forums (?) add to the problem in that they are a "one to many" media which increases the issue. The other problem is that the web applications like the one used here are not very good at supporting normal human chatter – the application provides quite an unnatural structure for any discussion, which doesn't help.

I doubt if we were down the pub with a pint, the mis-understandings would have occurred at all.

Steve

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Thanks Steve, Steven,

What one person may read as trivial may be something deeply emotive to another in the absence of other cues, but no one is forced to take part in this forum, and all users have the right to contribute or not as they see fit.

It is time to move on. I'm locking this thread. Allan, if you do decide to pick it up again, please PM me and I will happily re-open it for you.

Neil

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