Stuart 10V Build Log – Complete Beginner…

[Nigel McBurney 1Participant @nigelmcburney1]

I have had the same experience,with me,brass and bsp.eg taps that have no clearance and jam in holes,plus dies that do not cut, nowadays I tend to bite the bullet and get HSS ground thread. I have British made BA and 40 tpi taps/dies,carbon steel cut thread now over 50 years old which still cut to size,its the source thats the problem,too much made from "bamboo"

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Made a simple exhaust stub by threading some brass tube:

Also turned down some fibre washers so they fit on the drain cock spot-faces. I can adjust the washer thicknesses until the orientation of the drains is right when tight:

Still waiting for a step drill for the cladding, then that’ll be it.

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

I’ve got a Wilesco valve that I might try to use on the 10V somehow:

I suppose I’m scratching about looking for things to make until the step drill arrives and I can call it done, but anyway. The black plastic wheel looked a bit cheap, so I made a replacement out of scrap brass:

Bolted it to some brass hexagon bar and put in the vice, then got the centre using the edge finder:

Then co-ordinate drilled the holes in the correct orientation for milling the edge detents using the hexagon bar as a 60 degree angle fixture:

Then back in the lathe for parting off and profiling the faces:

Used a square file to open up the central hole to suit the original slotted plate. I’d used a 4mm drill so the circumference quadrant points could be used a filing limit for the square edges:

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Step drills arrived today:

I used some parallels to extend the jaws upwards, and put masking tape on the surfaces to give some extra grip, then re-aligned the pilot holes:

The drain cock holes were less than 1mm from the edge, but the drills worked really well:

Exhaust hole wasn’t a problem:

I ended up spraying it satin black, then cleaned up the edges with wet & dry:

So final assembly and testing next.

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Final assembly time. Here are the component parts:

I made an adjustable stud insert tool to get all the heights the same:

I used PTFE tape, as per Jason's suggestion, but plaited to give some bulk, instead of using the rather flaky stuff in the kit:

Ready for testing:

I’ll post some better pics and a video of it running when I get chance. Thanks!

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Dr_GMJN

…'Also cleaned up all the Little end pin end, the stud ends and bolt heads – most of them had prominent pips:…

These generally indicate that your tool tip centre height is incorrect; either too high or more is the probability too low, needs adjusting. Never the less superb workmanship, looking to see it running, well done that man!.

George.

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by mechman48 on 17/10/2020 10:41:06:

Dr_GMJN

…'Also cleaned up all the Little end pin end, the stud ends and bolt heads – most of them had prominent pips:…

These generally indicate that your tool tip centre height is incorrect; either too high or more is the probability too low, needs adjusting. Never the less superb workmanship, looking to see it running, well done that man!.

George.

Thanks very much George. The studs and bolts were supplied with the kit, so not guilty on those! I made the pin, and it did have a pip – In general getting tool height right is something I need to work on. It’s a pain whenever I change an insert tip to a different type for example.

[roy entwistleParticipant @royentwistle24699]

When you bolt it to the wooden base. I personally would like to see nuts on top rather than screw heads.

For a first build, very well done. I admire your attention to detail.

Roy

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

That's a pretty impressive result, paying off a lot of assiduous work.

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by roy entwistle on 17/10/2020 11:22:34:

When you bolt it to the wooden base. I personally would like to see nuts on top rather than screw heads.

For a first build, very well done. I admire your attention to detail.

Roy

Thanks Roy – I'll turn the bolts round.

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by Mick B1 on 17/10/2020 11:35:11:

That's a pretty impressive result, paying off a lot of assiduous work.

Cheers Mick. Much appreciated.

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Here are some better finished images:

Thanks for all the help and advice over the past 5 months everyone; I'll post some videos up in a minute for comments. Cheers!

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Guys, I ran the engine for the first time last night. It worked first time on a rough valve setting, which I got from this thread and reading the "Building the Stuart 10V" book. It had a tight spot at the bottom of the crank throw, but nothing serious. I did put the gland packing in, but just nipped up. The rods slide freely up and down. The valve timing hasn't been touched, but the tight spot has now eased considerably.

You may notice the screw in lace of the upper drain cock. It snapped off on tightening, I probably shouldn't have used PTFE tape. Anyway, minor detail.

You have NO IDEA how amazing it was for me (and the family!) to see this engine running for the first time. I know its about as simple as it gets, and it's no big deal for the old hands on here, but I can tell you I'm hooked. I'm already looking forward to my next build.

I quickly realised that despite me thinking it sounded brilliant, I have no real idea what a 10V should sound like, or what noises it should make under various loads and conditions. With this in mind – and also to show the results of a lot of great help and advice from this forum, I've made some video clips. I would really appreciate any comments on how you think it's running, and any adjustments I might need to make. In many ways it's irrelevant: I've built it, it runs, and I love it, but still I need to know. I hope these links work. They are posted on my son's drawing channel, so if you stray on to any of his videos by mistake, please trun the music volume down, as it may be bad for the hearing/wellbeing.

Slow/Medium speed, 10 psi (air)

**LINK**

Fast/Medium speed, 30 psi (air)

**LINK**

Turning by hand, 30 psi (air)

**LINK**

Under light load, 30 psi (air)

**LINK**

Muffled exhaust (ie mainly mechanical noise), 30 psi (air)

**LINK**

I am also going to post this in the "Beginners" forum. Thanks.

[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

You certainly deserve to be congratulated on such a stunning result for your first attempt at ME

A superb log throughout and an excellent outcome. A fine runner too – superb tickover

Only one minor observational critique – the cheese head mounting screws are out of place to my mind – nuts would be much more in keeping.

Well done indeed

Looking forwards to what you will do with that Twin Victoria

Ramon

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by Ramon Wilson on 17/10/2020 17:54:57:

You certainly deserve to be congratulated on such a stunning result for your first attempt at ME

A superb log throughout and an excellent outcome. A fine runner too – superb tickover

Only one minor observational critique – the cheese head mounting screws are out of place to my mind – nuts would be much more in keeping.

Well done indeed

Looking forwards to what you will do with that Twin Victoria

Ramon

Much appreciated Ramon, and thanks for your comments and advice throughout this thread.

Roy also commented about the screws. I have already put the nuts on top, but they are standard nuts, not the ME types on the rest of the engine. I will swap them out when I order the fasteners for the Victoria.

[geoff walker 1Participant @geoffwalker1]

Great finish Doc, well done, I love the parade of parts, very regimental not a part out of place.

Well you've set the standard now, no going back.

I suspect you will have no problem maintaining it.

Geoff

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by geoff walker 1 on 17/10/2020 19:08:43:

Great finish Doc, well done, I love the parade of parts, very regimental not a part out of place.

Well you've set the standard now, no going back.

I suspect you will have no problem maintaining it.

Geoff

Thanks Geoff. I wanted to see all the parts I’d machined together in one place before they got lost in the assembly. It was a satisfying review of all the work Id put in.

[David NobleParticipant @davidnoble71990]

Very nice job, I'm more of a clock man but I certainly appreciate your craftsmanship.

David

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by David Noble on 18/10/2020 11:46:37:

Very nice job, I'm more of a clock man but I certainly appreciate your craftsmanship.

David

Thanks for that David.

[Roger BensonParticipant @rogerbenson45349]

Posted by JasonB on 28/06/2020 10:07:33:

Personally I never machine flywheels on an arbor and it is just asking for chatter and a poor finish. If possible hold by the inside of the rim in either 3 or 4 jaw chuck. Stuarts are usually fairly true once cleaned up with files so 3 jaw will do. This way you can machine the face, 1 side, hub face and then finally bore all at one setting ( I don't ream) then just flip it over to do the other side of rim and hub which don't need any concentricity.

Drill drains first, 1/16" or 1.5mm hole will do, threaded hole about 1/16 to 3/32 short of cylinder

Edited By JasonB on 28/06/2020 10:08:58

What is the thread size for the drain holes? I cannot find any reference to them on the drawing or in the booklet.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

You would have to use the smallest Stuart ones which are 5/32" x 40ME

[Roger BensonParticipant @rogerbenson45349]

Thank you Jason. Strange how it is missed on both documents.

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by Roger Benson on 22/11/2020 14:39:45:

Thank you Jason. Strange how it is missed on both documents.

 

It's not missed – it's on page 54 of the booklet, and the part number for them, 34-50-71960, is on the bottom right table ( "Additional Items For This Model"  )on the assembly drawing.

Edited By Dr_GMJN on 24/11/2020 15:46:57

[Ian Johnson 1Participant @ianjohnson1]

Just been browsing your build thread and what a great result! I like the way you overcame problems and cleverly sorted them out.

And those finished photos should be in the Stuart catalogue!

IanJ

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by Ian Johnson 1 on 24/11/2020 16:47:54:

Just been browsing your build thread and what a great result! I like the way you overcame problems and cleverly sorted them out.

And those finished photos should be in the Stuart catalogue!

IanJ

Thanks Ian! Too kind – Most of the issues I had were resolved just by asking questions on here. Looking back, it was pretty straightforward, but all the same daunting for a beginner.

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