Stuart 10H and 10V build thread

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

My castings have a very poor finish. They may well have been shot blasted. I purchased both sets new at the Harrogate Exhibition this year. Older castings had a much finer finish. Once the castings are spray painted with primer/ filler they should be fine.

Edited By David Clark 1 on 20/11/2015 19:12:02

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

David, do you know if they still shell cast them or do Bridport now use an airset sand on the Stuart stuff like they do on other items?

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

No, no idea but the finish does not look good enough for shell casting.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Could explain the different finishes then. The Stuart site did have a page about the shell casting process used but that has disappeared since Bridport took over.

[Roderick JenkinsParticipant @roderickjenkins93242]

Posted by Steve Withnell on 20/11/2015 18:02:25:

So that feels like three different casting processes or specifications – The Victoria castings appeared by far the best and most realistic, but not sure Stuart produce that standard of casting any more. My Victoria castings are about 2008/9 vintage.

Can anyone explain the difference?

I believe Stuart castings used to be shell moulded, a process that gives a fine surface finish to the castings like those that came with my 10V back in the 1980s. Presumably this was a process that was used by Stuart Turner for their industrial production but was too expensive to replicate as the model part of the business was sold off to the various cottage industries that have owned the business since. It is very pleasing to see the business continuing and I'm sure the current castings are perfectly satisfactory, they just need a little more finishing. I'm hoping they will re-introduce one of the i.c. engines to their range.

Cheers,

Rod

Edit:  blimey, did it really take me 25 minutes to compose that post!

Edited By Roderick Jenkins on 20/11/2015 20:56:02

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Rod, Bridport will still do shell casting but as you say it may not be ecconomic for teh Stuart models they produce. The modern airsets are quicker and easier than greensand so is probably what they use.

J

[Steve WithnellParticipant @stevewithnell34426]

Thanks guys – and thanks to David, it takes a lot of time and effort to run a build thread which may not be that obvious until you try it.

I have two 10V kits, which I got at a discount price off eBay (took many years of fishing in that pond), so look forward to this build. (The reason I have a 10D bed, is because I'm going to pop the two 10V's on it…)

Steve

[Martin King 2Participant @martinking2]

Looking forward to this one as I too am at the start of my 10V build, have done the box bed and the sole plate, but the standard seems to have been put off as I found the method a bit daunting! Will now persevere and get back to it!

Can understand doing the feet of it but getting it centred for boring on the faceplate with no real reference for clocking seems odd…

Martin

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

You need to be sure that the feet are flat and true to the cylinder mounting face. Firstly clean up the faces with a file. Then put the feet on a parallel against an angle plate and clock the cylinder mounting od. Then turn 180 degrees and check the other face. They should be identical readings by within abou 0.005 thou inch. Should be close enough. Then do the same with the feet vertically against the angle plate. Again they should be within about 0.005 thou. You will have to adjust the feet by filing until the feet are correct. This will put the cylinder mounting face in the centre of the legs. Then you can mount on the faceplate and clock the cylinder mounting od and face, bore and skim the mounting face off. It is a bit too cold in the workshop at the moment as there is no heating in it but I hope to continue in the next couple of days.

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

When the cylinder mounting face is flat clamp it to the faceplate and clean up the feet to size.

Edited By David Clark 1 on 23/11/2015 13:07:11

[ChrisHParticipant @chrish]

David, although I have a small wood burner in my shed I am finding I seldom use it at present as it runs best on charcoal which I haven't got much of – if on wood you have to stoke it every 20 minutes! So I have a small fan heater my daughter 'found' for me cheap in a charity shop, a 1kW/2kW model. I only have it on 1kW on a low setting, and it doesn't have to be on for very long before the shed is nice and cozy and it cuts out on thermostat. After it has reached temperature it doesn't kick in again very often, so not too pricy to run plus it's instant heat, plus it's dry heat. Worth considering. Also running a dehumidifier on humid-stat (not continuous) that keeps the chill off the shed as well as dry.

Looking forward to the build continuing!

Chris

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi Chrish I think I have a dehumidifier in the shed from when I had a wooden shed. I do have heaters but not got round to fitting them. l will do now I am doing the build thread. Damp is not much of a problem as it is a brick built shed with the widows bricked up.

Edited By David Clark 1 on 23/11/2015 14:31:41

[RICHARD GREEN 2Participant @richardgreen2]

I built a Stuart 10H in 1973 (age 14), here is the sales invoice, the castings cost £3-00 + vat !!!!!

 

Edited By RICHARD GREEN 2 on 24/11/2015 11:10:59

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

About 1/2 weeks wages after tax.

[Roger Provins 2Participant @rogerprovins2]

Posted by clive swinney on 19/11/2015 14:26:16:

Should be interesting. I have built the 10H and 10V and am now building the Score.Out of interest the 10H cost £12.19 at the Model Engineering Exhibition in 1983

According to the ''Worth Now'' website that's £38.49 in today's money.

Edited By Roger Provins 2 on 24/11/2015 14:43:48

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Posted by David Clark 1 on 24/11/2015 14:28:09:

About 1/2 weeks wages after tax.

 

My first weeks wage was £3 – 10s – 6d, ( £3 – 521/2p in decimal  )  Mill office boy, Dorman Long & Co, Sept.1963. … & £2 of that went back to mum for 'board & keep' … Ahhh the good old days… … probably a lot will disagree…

No doubt this will start a raft of … 'my first wage was' ….

George.

 

 

Edited By mechman48 on 25/11/2015 15:23:15

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Hi David

Not seen any further on your Start 10 V / H build…?

George

[ChrisHParticipant @chrish]

Not so much a comment on 'first wage' (but it was £13/10/0 per month in Sept '62, plus £3/7/6 a week living allowance as I was away from home as an engineer cadet with a shipping company – remember them, we used to have lots of them, back in the days when we had a merchant navy) – more a comment on the VAT rate in 1973 of just 10%. Wow, we didn't know we were born!

Been told now we have to have the VAT rate where it is because our rulers in the EU insist that is what it must be and we are not free to change it. If that is the case then we know what to do come the ref.

!0%. Wonderful!

Chris

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi there not been very well. It will continue. I struggle to stand up and tend to fall over. Blood test results later today, might need another transfusion. Already had 5 this year. I just hope the cancer is not back.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Best wishes to you, hope the results are good.

[ChrisHParticipant @chrish]

Hope the news is good David, all best wishes for your complete recover.

Chris

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

You need to set up so you can sit at the lathe and work bench. Keep warm , and don't over do it. Best wishes.

Ian S C

[herbert punterParticipant @herbertpunter99795]

Take it easy mate, all the best.

Bert

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Best wishes David; know how worrying it can be … been there, got the T shirt… 61/2 yrs remission now.

Not to worry on the build; at your own pace, will just keep eyes open for latest post, take it easy…

George.

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Apparently mainly vitamin d deficiency making me very tired. They have given me a supplement and I already have the health lamp for vitamin d. Main problem is the front room is like the black hole of Calcutta at this time of year.

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