Storm in America

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I have just skimmed the News headlines

This is representative:

US winter storm: Icy blast hits 200 million Americans

Spare a thought for our friends in America !

MichaelG.

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https://www.weather.gov/

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 24/12/2022 07:57:40

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

Twelve deaths reported on the News this morning, and sone reports of people burning even clothes to try to keep warm.

The News also explained the storm is some 2000 miles in diameter, from Canada to just within Mexico. (Most weather systems are about 1000 miles across) and likely to continue for up to a week.

[Brian WoodParticipant @brianwood45127]

We have family living and working over there in the Pittsburgh area, right in the path of this thing. They are resilient and prepared as best as they can be, but a severe power outage over a wide area will make things difficult and testing for them all.

At our last contact yesterday temperatures were already well south of zero ( F not C out there) and getting colder.

Brian

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

My granddaughter works for British Airways and flew out to Orlando last night, working of course, apparently not even Florida will escape the big freeze, they have been warned to expect very heavy frosts there, so those who thought they would escape the dreary British weather for some sunshine will sadly be disappointed. Granddaughter scheduled to bring an aircraft back from Orlando on the 27 th that is if everything is back on schedule by then. Dave W

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Global warming

[JAParticipant @ja]

My sister is, at present, in Washington DC with her daughter and son in law and their four week old baby. Living in Manchester she is used to such weather.

To all those in USA and Canada, keep warm and I wish you all the best. It will pass through.

Happy Christmas

JA

[Roger Williams 2Participant @rogerwilliams2]

Ady1, just about to post the same thing !!!.

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by JA on 24/12/2022 13:28:31:

…… Living in Manchester she is used to such weather.

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JA

We might be oop north, but it doesn't get anything like that cold in Manchester. Coldest I've seen recently was -8 during the 'Beast from the east'. Why do we have to give periods of cold weather silly names? It's winter, it's meant to be cold now and again. The average December temperature in Lancashire is the same as Surrey, 6 degrees C

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by JA on 24/12/2022 13:28:31:

…… Living in Manchester she is used to such weather.

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JA

We might be oop north, but it doesn't get anything like that cold in Manchester. Coldest I've seen recently was -8 during the 'Beast from the east'. Why do we have to give periods of cold weather silly names? It's winter, it's meant to be cold now and again. The average December temperature in Lancashire is the same as Surrey, 6 degrees C

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Think of the polar bears

The pressure chart looks like that film "The Day After Tomorrow" one

Edited By Ady1 on 24/12/2022 18:09:06

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

I live right in the middle of Ohio which is right in the thick of things. So far just a few bumps in the electric. No wide spread outages. We use wood exclusively for heat, burning only fallen ash die off trees, free heat with the accompining work. We live on a corner of Her parents farm. Well insulated house and more importantly a shop that is 1/2 underground and heated with a small gas room heater set on idle. the entrance is through the under garage. To get to "work" I do not even need a coat.The wood stove does not need electric but does work better with it. We are blessed greatly, Me for having a good shop (need more room), and the Wife is blessed for Me having a shop to hibernate to ,leaving Her alone.

[Anonymous]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 24/12/2022 07:42:51:

Spare a thought for our friends in America !

… not to mention we us Canadians

Edited By Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 25/12/2022 01:59:04

[Brian Baker 2Participant @brianbaker2]

Could this weather be "Putin's Revenge"?

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 25/12/2022 01:58:12:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 24/12/2022 07:42:51:

Spare a thought for our friends in America !

… not to mention we us Canadians

Edited By Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 25/12/2022 01:59:04

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Sorry, Peter … our thoughts are often with you !!

In my defence: I was guided by the News reports

MichaelG.

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Posted by Ady1 on 24/12/2022 10:16:26:

Global warming

Yes it is.

regards Martin

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 25/12/2022 01:58:12:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 24/12/2022 07:42:51:

Spare a thought for our friends in America !

… not to mention we us Canadians

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Ah, Canada! The American Dream without the violence…

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

My friends and family in Montana, USA, report temps down to minus 35F, but next week it is forecast to be up to 40F above zero. They are used to the minus 35, but 40 above in the middle of winter was unheard of when I lived there 30 years ago. Now apparently it happens regularly.

Situation normal here in Far North Queensland today, 30C and raining like crazy. Quite pleasant for this time of year.

Edited By Hopper on 25/12/2022 09:53:46

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Credit where it’s due … This is a fabulous image :

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MichaelG.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Brian Baker 1 on 25/12/2022 07:42:19:

Could this weather be "Putin's Revenge"?

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I think it’s more likely Gaia’s desperate attempt to re-balance things, Brian: **LINK**

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

MichaelG.

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, it seems easy to blame such events like this on global warming these days. Someone in the know said on TV a few days ago that these particular blasts happen from time to time and couldn't be predicted over a long term, I can't remember when they said the last one happened, but it was very many years before global warming was ever heard of.

Regards Nick.

[Bruce VoelkerdingParticipant @brucevoelkerding91659]

yes, this was an unusual weather pattern. A very cold Mass of Air originated in Siberia. A powerful high-pressure System in the north Pacific "drove" the cold Air over the Artic to the east of the Rockies into the Midwest of USA.

A rather unusual Weather Phenomena occurs here by the Great Lakes – Lake Effect Snow. I live near Cleveland, Ohio, on the south Shore of Lake Erie. During Winter cold Air comes to us from the Artic over the Canadian Landmass which doesn't warm it (as compared to UK where it is warmed by the Atlantic). When cold Air blows over the Great Lakes it picks up a lot of Moisture. When it hits Land the Moisture comes back down as massive amounts of Snow. I happen to live a bit west of Cleveland and due to the Shape of Lake Erie's Coastline and the typical Wind Direction in Winter, we miss much of the Lake Effect Snow. Sometimes we have 2" where just 25 Miles to the east it is 12". The rising Elevation also contributes to the Snowfall.

This Storm was blowing from the West / Southwest which meant the Air had Time to pick up Moisture the entire length of Lake Erie before reaching Hamburg, NY, which is next to Buffalo, NY. Additionally, it had a corresponding long Fetch to make larger than normal Waves. The left side of that Picture above is Lake Erie.

The BIG Problem for us is all the above Ground Power Lines as seen in the Picture above. Those in the Picture may have a 1" + diameter Coating of Ice on them. These Power Lines are also right next to tall Trees. When Branches are broken off they rip up the Power Lines. The Power Companies are doing a better Job now trimming back Trees during the summer Season. Property Owners really complain when they trim the Trees back, but really the Trees shouldn't be there at all. They just allow Trees to grow unchecked here.

Lake Erie is the shallowest of the Great Lakes. It will freeze over in a few Weeks. At that point the Lake Effect Snow can't happen anymore. It's not solid Ice. I think the Term is "Shelf Ice". It does get pushed around by the Wind and cracks into large Sheets. You would have to be crazy to think you could walk across it to Canada.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Posted by Bruce Voelkerding on 25/12/2022 13:46:22:

You would have to be crazy to think you could walk across it to Canada.

Jimmy Cagney and his buddies used that ice crossing regularly during prohibition

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

It's what I'd call winter weather.

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I suppose they could call it a white Christmas but not really one you could enjoy.

Mike

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