Steam Winding Engine and HeadGear Help

[Wayne PriceParticipant @wayneprice27934]

[Wayne PriceParticipant @wayneprice27934]

I am looking to make a scale model of both a steam winding engine and headgear which belonged to a colliery, bringing the miners and coal up and down the shaft.

 

In order for me to do this I would require the Engineering Drawings or Blue Prints for them, and then scale down the measurements etc.

 

Can any of you oout there help me with where to go in obtaining these drawings (I have already contacted several places, some still waiting for a reply).

 If not maybe someone has done the same project as myself and could point me in the right direction.

 

Well hopefully I have explained myself properly.

Thanks

Wayne Price

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I would have a search for engines in preservation and then contact the museums/trusts where they are located firstly to see if drawings are held in their archive and secondly to arrange to visit and take dimensions and photos.

 

Jason

[WearyParticipant @weary]

There is a drawing of the 1954 Walker Brothers (and I thought that they were just singers!) Horizontal Hauling Engine and Drum built for Easthouses Colliery in Model Engineer Volume 136, Number 3403, October 16, 1970, page 1031.

 

It looks like a reduction of a general arrangement, all the detail seems to be there, but it is much reduced as the page size is 240mm x 175mm, so would benefit from enlargement and a magnifying glass may be useful.

 

There have been numerous articles about winding engines in Model Engineer over the years and a few constructional articles of Colliery Winding type engines – that is they are general representations rather than models of a specific prototype.

 

Beamish Museum has a vertical winding engine with associated pit-head and also a nice model of a horizontal colliery winding engine and pit-head. 

Both are in their photo-archive, a search will turn them up.

 

Regards,  Phil

[NilochParticipant @niloch]

Maybe worth while trying here if you haven’t already done so.

[Wayne PriceParticipant @wayneprice27934]

Hello and thanks for your replies

 

I have e-mailed a large variety of trusts, companies etc. Some of which have been of help and hinted me to where to go if they did not have the drawings within their archieves. Well alot of these engines were built a very long time ago, so probably dreaming that these people would still have them within their records.

 

I have e-mailed several places today which I do hope to prove some sort of success, so hopefully something will come of those.

 

Big Pit said that they have no drawings of their winding engine or pit head, but did say to look at county record archieves which I have done and am waiting on some information to get back to me.

 

Well this is as far as I have got to, its proving very hard especially since this is the first time I have done something on this level of research, but I am sure something will come up somewhere.

 

Thanks again and keep the advice coming.

Wayne

[Geoff TheasbyParticipant @geofftheasby]

Wayne,

have you tried the Yorkshire Mining Museum, who have a steam winding engine as backup to their electric system, and Pleasley Pit near Mansfield, which still has the winding engine and pithead gear, but not much else.

 

Regards

Geoff

[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

Wayne,

I don’t know if this is of any help but if memory serves correct there was a series in ME on modelling a Pithead winding engine and pithead by I believe an ‘Ernie Cheeseman’. It covered the various parts in some detail as I recall.

 

I’m not sure exactly when this was but possibly in the seventies – eigthies.

 

Outside of this recollection I can’t offer anything else but perhaps you can source this with the aid of an index

 

(Of course if it’s not in ME then it must have been EiM!)

 

Hope this helps a little bit more

 

Regards – Ramon

[John OlsenParticipant @johnolsen79199]

Hi Wayne and Ramon,

 

The name was enough to find it:

 

“Holmside and South Moor Colliery by E. Cheeseman. 20th May 1977 vol 143 number 3561 page 572”

 

Then the series:

“Ernest Cheeseman describes  his model: Holmside and South Moor Colliery. Model Engineer 16th September 1977. Volume 143 number 3569 page 1037”

 

Vol 143

3577  p80

3579 p216

vol144

3586 p647

3588 p773

3590 p881

3592 p1029

3596 p1289

3599 p1490

vol 146

3601 p107

3603 p225

3605 p345

 

I haven’t looked in detail, I think this is not a full construction series with all the bells and whistle, but contain a lot of good information that you will want. He refers to possibly starting a description of “phase 2 “in a few months time…I haven’t checked for that yet. Anyway, those are the issues that you want to see.

 

regards

John

 

 

 

[Stefan ThatcherParticipant @stefanthatcher97468]

Hi, Wayne. just come across your request by accident.

 

I’m the Technical Historian for Friends of Pleasley Pit and I’ve got exactly what you were looking for – well, about 1.8 times what you were looking for in fact. I have the full set of drawings for the 36″x84″ 1922 Markham winder, its engine-house and its associated headgear, together with most of the drawing for the 1904 Lilleshall winder, its engine-house and its headgear. If you were feeling really keen I could provide scale drawing for the pit-top at closure and the entire colliery site when operational.

 

FoPP would be most interested if you chose to construct any of the above. One of our members is a chap called Peter Southworth. Not sure whether you know him or not. He lives in Chesterfield and has constructed some mangnificent engines.

 

Please drop me a line at historian@pleasley-colliery.org.uk to let me know if you would like to follow this up or not.

 

my regards Stefan

 

Stefan Thatcher B.Sc.

Webmaster/Technical Historian

Friends of Pleasley Pit

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