setting up new hobby shop

[jordan bowenParticipant @jordanbowen73332]

hobby shop

[jordan bowenParticipant @jordanbowen73332]

Hi Guys and girls setting up a new hobby shop just curious as to what everyone's choices in lathe do i go for something like a myford or a newer style machine

[Nigel BennettParticipant @nigelbennett69913]

Well, Jordan, the first thing you need to work out is how big are the bits you want to make? That will determine the size of lathe you need. What kind of bits? Will you need milling facilities as well? That can be obtained by the use of a vertical slide attachment or a rear-mounted milling head. Neither solution is ideal but it can save a lot of space and pennies.

If you're looking at Myfords, they are good machines and tend to hold their prices well – so expect to pay a bit for one in decent nick. There are a lot of clapped-out wrecks available which you should steer clear of unless your interest is in restoring clapped-out old lathes. For which purpose you'll need another lathe…

Myfords have had more written about them and more modifications/attachments/extra bells and whistles made to and for them, so that within their size they can be made to do pretty well anything. Spare parts are available despite them being a fairly old machine.

Boxfords are generally a good buy as they tend to be cheaper and are very capable machines.

If you buy new Chinese equipment you'll have some kind of come-back from the supplier if it's faulty, but they have their limitations and the electrics are often a bit fragile and expensive when you let the magic smoke out of them. Chinese stuff is often very obviously made to a price and so the finish tends to be a bit poor where it doesn't really matter, but generally the important bits like the bed are pretty good and often hardened. Plastic gear wheels can be a bit prone to failure, too.

There are several books available eg Sparey's The Amateur's Lathe which should help.

[Roger BestParticipant @rogerbest89007]

Hi Jordan.

See here: link to thread

In the few years I have been paying serious attention Myfords have dropped in price dramatically, such that sound machines with necessary accessories come up weekly for money comparable to ubiquitous small Chinese lathes. This makes them very attractive indeed. A good one will work for half a century without major work being required as long as it is protected from rust.

There are a few high-spec machines for silly money, collectors love them and there are those with pockets to match.

If you decide you need to make bigger stuff, and never want to do fiddly things then larger bench-top or free-standing machines from the partner organisations on the right of the page are well worth looking at.

[Thor 🇳🇴Participant @thor]

Hi Jordan,

Welcome to the forum. If you can find a second-hand Myford in good condition at a good price you will get a lathe that it is easy to find accessories for. If you don't have much experience with lathes and don't have anyone who can advice you on a second hand lathe 's condition, a new Chinese lathe may be best. I own a Chinese lathe and it has worked well for a decade. Remember, in addition to the lathe you need tools, measuring equipment etc. that will eat into your budget.

Thor

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

If you buy new Chinese equipment you'll have some kind of come-back from the supplier if it's faulty,

That may depend on the supplier. Some are cheap and less than cheerful – and may even be built from rejected parts.

Choose your supplier carefully.

[jordan bowenParticipant @jordanbowen73332]

Ive been looking at the myford ml7 as it fits my needs really well it's just putting my trust on buying one from a genuine person

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

The question has been debated endlessly on here before including a recent thread on a Warco BH600G vs Myford that would ne wort looking at.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

The Myford super 7B i have is a lovely machine & also nice to look at. But there are many youtubers that have the seig & Warco machines , that after a little bit of fettling are also a nice machine to have.

Steve.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

What lathe you should buy will depend on what you want to make. You are unlikely to be able to skim big brake discs on a Peatol, good as they are.

By the same token, you would not make watch parts on a 21" Dean Smith and Grace!

What ever you buy, get a machine that is a bit larger than you first think. Your horizons will expand, as you gain experience and confidence..

You will soon find that a lot of "Basket cases" can be reclaimed using parts made on the lathe!

FWIW

My first lathe was a pre owned (Don't know by how many! ) Myford ML7.

By the time that I sold it it had acquired : a few extra 20T gears and a 127T gear, Long Cross Slide and resettable Micrometer dials on Top and Cross Slide, as well as a new Countershaft and Bushes.

Why did I sell it?

FED UP with the 2MT headstocki bore, meaning that anything larger than 1/2" could not pass through, so continually chopping off short larger diameter pieces with resulting wasted material.

Using a Rodney milling attachment on it showed up a lack of rigidity. Maybe I was being over zealous?

Replaced it, when I retired, with an Engineers ToolRoom BL12 – 24. This is a Warco BH600G, or Chester Craftsmanj lookalike. It has a Norton gearbox, and a 120/127T Idler so changing from Metric to Imperial screwcutting is easy. The 5MT Headstock bore, with 5 – 3MT step down sleeve copes with my needs.

These will swing a maximum of 12", or 18" if the gap is removed.

Having power feeds for both facing and sliding is a boon..

Normally a 1.5 hp or 2 hp single phase motor would be fitted, providing 12 speeds with back gear, but I opted for a 1.5 hp three phase motor fed from a VFD, leaving six variable speed ranges..

It came with 3 jaw and 4 jaw chucks, Faceplate, fixed and travelling Steadies, and a halogen work light..

At the time, the BH600 could be ordered in either Imperial or Metric form. The Chester Craftsman was Metric only, (although I believe that some Imperial ones were sold ) and the BL12 – 24 is dual dialled.

These belt driven machines have been superceded by Gear Head machine, although some can be less versatile than their predecessors. Read the specification, if you can find it!

It has served me well for nearly 20 years, and is unlikely to be sold during my lifetime.

There is probably no machine that is ABSOLUTELY ideal for all purposes, but some are better than others.

Screw fitting chucks, unless retained (By "dogs" on the BH600, Crafftsman and BL12-24 ) can make reverse running fraught, (If not dangerous should a chuck unscrew! ) It is not impossible, but needs a great deal of care.

Some older machines may be very capable, but the drawback can be obtaining spares, Chuck backplates, or things like changewheels, if any are missing or damaged.

In extremis, Backplates can be made, possibly on the actual machine. Gears can be cut, if you have a Mill and Dividing Head or Rotary Table, or know some one who has.

You pays your money and makes your choice.

Make allowance in the budget for suitable tooling, (Including Taps and Dies and Tap Wrenches and Die Holders )and measuring equipment..

If buying secondhand, and you are not confident, take some one along who is familiar with machines, when you look at a machine.

This is a very good reason to find and join a local Model Engineering Society.

DON'T be taken in by an old machine in shiny paint! A dirty machine in good condition may be a better buy than a shiny clapped out wreck!

HTH

Howar5d

[David-Clark 1Participant @david-clark1]

Hi Jordan Bowen.

A Myford Ml7 would probably serve you well.

A Myford Ml7R is similar to a Super in many ways.

if a 6 1/2 inch swing (3 1/4 centre height) is enough a good used Myford Ml10 might serve you well and would still be useful if you moved on to a llarger lathe. You should be able to pick one up on EBay for about £650.

I just picked up a very nicely equipped Myford Ml10 that was brand new, original preservative still on, with of loads of equipment for £1,000.

Ml10’s seem to have less wear than a Myford Ml7.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Howard Lewis on 25/03/2022 19:26:12:

FED UP with the 2MT headstocki bore, meaning that anything larger than 1/2" could not pass through, so continually chopping off short larger diameter pieces with resulting wasted material.

Although, a lot of those larger diameter jobs can be done in the Myford using a fixed steady. Up to 3 or 4" diameter. Can be used to save material by machining the job on the end of a 12 or 18" length of bar then part it off. Works surprisingly well.

[Tim StevensParticipant @timstevens64731]

I wonder – is the hobby shop here intended to be a retail business dealing with hobbies in general and/or steam or engineering in particular, or is it a new collection of machinery and work stations for a range of hobbies or one or two particular hobbies, or what?

From the discussion, after five responses, it starts to become clear that the general conclusion is hobby = OP's hobby, just for him, something model engineering related. So, my first thought was completely wide of the mark. But I do enjoy guessing games – more please.

cheers, Tim

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