Sash weights.

[Raymond AndersonParticipant @raymondanderson34407]

Hello All,

Yesterday I took home a load of old sash & case window weights

from the site I am working at ,I took the ones marked CARRON because I have heard of that foundry Most of them were about 38mm rough Ø and the ones from the 5 very large windows were approx 78mm rough Ø so today with the rain here [and me being a bricklayer] I spent the day machining the weights and they have machined a treat, very nice finish and no blow holes. So I now have 10 finished at Øs off between 32mm and 35mm at lengths off approx 310mm. The large ones are now at a shade over 69mm Ø and 340mm in length, but I only got 4 of those as the others are not marked Carron and looked to be rougher. So I guess I scored with those weights.

I might actually try 1 of the unmarked ones and see how they are.

Regards,

Raymond.

[Raymond AndersonParticipant @raymondanderson34407]

[SpringbokParticipant @springbok]

Raymond

Lucky chap they will be lovely late victorian cast iron. and please do not knock being a bricklayer good ones down this way are like hens teeth and much in demand. Carron sounds like the name of the foundry could well be Welsh, Just think of all these cast iron pistons you name it.

Bob

[Stewart HartParticipant @stewarthart90345]

Wow what a find sash weights use to be quite common but are now quite rare, I was given one by a friend that I've more or less consummed on engine builds.

Carron iron works was in Scotland Lanarkshire I think it was famous for casting Cannon barrels.

You have to be carfull with the eye end of the weight that was the top end when they were cast and is where the rubish collects, also be carfull you don't end up with a cast steel weight they are as tuff as old boots and next to imposible to machine with light home machinery.

Stew

[Raymond AndersonParticipant @raymondanderson34407]

Hi Springbok , Stewart

Springbok, I was not "knocking" being a bricklayer, as I like my trade very much what I meant was with the rain I could not get any work done today so had a day off. I would not change my trade for any other.

Stewart, I cut off about 40mm from each end before machining also I did all the machining on my Warco GH750 lathe but also have a DSG if it was needed I am going to have a look about for any more marked Carron tomorrow.

I will also test out 1 of the unmarked weights tomorrow evening.

Regards,

Raymond.

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

You jammy git Raymond!

The only sash weight I've been able to get my claws on was so badly chilled starret hacksaw blades bounced clean off

Neil

[John CParticipant @johnc47954]

Neil,

I must have some from the same batch as you! John Bogs mentioned using sash weights in another forum so I went to the reclaimed building materials site and got a few. Couldn't touch them even with an angle grinder! They have sat under my bench ever since. Maybe I should have another try….

John

[Ken JohnstonParticipant @kenjohnston10955]

Carron Iron Foundry, Falkirk, Scotland.

Casters of the carronade, a small 19th century naval cannon. A sort of swivel gun.

And a horde of other items.

All gone, like so many others.

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

I used to have a Carron stove (aga type) the castings were very good, some very fine thin walled stuff.. I believe the foundry started there because of the wood and water power available, later coal, like most of the early works.

[John McNamaraParticipant @johnmcnamara74883]

Hi all

Winter is the time to fix the weights if you have a fireplace.

A while back I acquired a large 45mm shaft differential pinion wheel about 250mm long it had a chipped tooth but otherwise was fine. Trouble was it was really hard, even at the slowest speed and feed and carbide tooling using a heavy lathe I could not turn it. clearly it was heat treated alloy steel, really tough. It needed to be annealed. Not having a furnace I wondered if it could be heat treated in the family fire place! Its been cold of late; time for a nice fire. I simply put the piece on the fire and let it soak, I left it there over 3 separate burns. I don't know what temperature it reached although one time i noted it was a dark red. I just let it cool down in the ashes each time.

Now it turns well, with the mirror finish you sometimes get with alloy steel. Soon it will find its way into a spindle.

I assume the same will apply with chilled cast Iron sash weights or the like.

Cheers

John

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Funny you should mention that. A couple of months ago I needed an angle grinder to cut in half a thin weight to get it into the stove. (yes I needed a fire in May) But 5 days soaking hasn't made it hacksaw friendly. Maybe a wood fire doesn't get hot enough so I'll be givnig eh other half a month over winter to see if that helps.

Edited By Bazyle on 02/08/2012 13:55:24

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

The last lot of weights I got were about the same size as yours (38 mm), when I was collecting them , I dropped one on top of the rest of them, and bang, it snapped in half, a silvery white fracture. I tried it in the lathe with a carbide tool, the outer skin came off OK, then the bar took the edge of the tool offas if it were a bit of mild steel. The rest of the weights are OK, but I like the fatter ones if I can get them, I'v had some about 60/65 mm dia., never seen a foundry name on any yet. Must get to a demolition yard, there are plenty of demo bits in Christchurch, they have that much that the stuff is being sold at half its usual price. Ian S C

[Ray LyonsParticipant @raylyons29267]

Mention of sash weights takes me back a bit. Sixty years ago, I was an apprentice working on a large manor house restoration. One job was to replace all the sash cords before the decorators came and the job fell to me. (assume it was not because I was the best but at 17, the cheapest on the job). Never thought that weights could be any good as turning material. I have seen many in the past but not lately. Now that I have access to a lathe I will keep a look out at my local demolition yard.

Don't know if you can soften cast iron by heating in a fire but worth a try. I picked up a couple of weighing scale 4Lb weights recently and those turned up nicely. Ideal for flywheels on small engines.

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

Don't try and soften chilled flywheel castings in the fire, if you want them to come out remotely circular afterwards

My 'invulnerable' sash weight is destined to become a counter weight for the head of my mill to replace the spring arrangement (which reduces travel and isn't very good).

Neil

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

My weights were counterweights on vertically opening gates in my brother in laws pig sheds, two bundles of six, one at each end of the gate. Not sure how many gates, must have been about twenty. Ian S C

[Diane CarneyModerator @dianecarney30678]

Posted by Gordon W on 02/08/2012 09:40:48:

I believe the foundry started there because of the wood and water power available, later coal, like most of the early works.

Yes – coal; very much so! There is a significant connection, of course, with James Watt. John Roebuck, one of the Carron Foundry's co-founders, was one of Watt's earliest patrons as he required one of the 'new' type engines to drain his coal mine. Without Roebuck, Watt may never have progressed beyond 'model' engineering!

Diane

[Steve WithnellParticipant @stevewithnell34426]

HI John,

My understanding was that the "old" pre 1920's were all cast as you describe and nice stuff, after that the weights were cast every which way and those are the ones that are useless for most things.

I guess there will be foundrys that stuck to the original methods for a quite a period, until they got priced out!

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Easist way to see if you are wasting your time is to bang one on the floor and snap it.

If it's dull grey then save it, if its shiny silver it's chilled. Remember sash weights were cast out of the last run of the ladle to use all the iron up, early victorian recycling.

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

I've worked in a few foundries the last one was an agricultural one, in all meanings. The load was all scrap, some not even iron, shovelled in from the top and down the chimney. We made bits and pieces, including pulleys and mower parts. Any small part was very likely to be chilled. At the end of the pour all that was left was "recycled" some into small moulds eg flywheels, some into "homers", some into holes made in the sand with a stick. A lot of this stuff must still be circulating, and from the hundreds of other small foundries, no wonder some is rubbish.

[Swarf, Mostly!Participant @swarfmostly]

Hi there, all,

Many years ago, my neighbours got a new piano. They could neither sell nor give away their previous piano, an upright model, to anyone who would play it so they gave it to me.

The piano had a cast iron frame, mostly of a cross section that would be a good starting point for anyone making an engineer's level. It machines beautifully and I still have a few bits under the bench.

The iron frame was supported on a wooden frame of yellow pine, about 4" x 3" section and without a single knot in it anywhere. I've kept that pine out of the rain for about 40 years (and three house-moves) but recently gave it to a young wood-working enthusiast as I was unlikely to use it.

The board with the tuning pegs was beech – most of that is now the front apron of the woodworking side of my workbench and the jaw of the woodwork vice.

I hope this wasn't too far off-topic, the thread is about recycling!

Best regards,

Swarf, Mostly!

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

You would get a supply of music wire, and quite a bit of lead slugs from the hammers. Ian S C

[Aestus57Participant @aestus5782081]

Here's a couple of photos of a sash weight with a "problem"!!

I cut this in half hoping to get a couple of cylinder covers out of it but I'll have to get another one. The hole goes almost right down to the end!

Probably not completely ruined as I can still see a slide valve cylinder in there.

Regards to all

Peter

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