Rust on New Lathe

[Nick WheelerParticipant @nickwheeler]

Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 16/11/2022 20:38:37:

… but do they come with a rusty bed option?

Don't ask such a question. It will probably only lead to lots of speculation!

But it will be special Myford rust, carefully developed in a traditional damp shed, and applied by timeserved rusterers to provide the very best coverage and artistic merit.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Nicholas Wheeler 1 on 16/11/2022 22:16:00:

Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 16/11/2022 20:38:37:

… but do they come with a rusty bed option?

Don't ask such a question. It will probably only lead to lots of speculation!

But it will be special Myford rust, carefully developed in a traditional damp shed, and applied by timeserved rusterers to provide the very best coverage and artistic merit.

Not these days it won't be. Myford are not what they used to be. Recent videos of their "factory" in Mytholmroyd reveled not a single time-served rusterer in sight. It seemed like all they were doing was assembling components from suppliers in damp sheds elsewhere. Any old brown stain gets called rust these days.

[Nick WheelerParticipant @nickwheeler]

Posted by Hopper on 17/11/2022 08:03:52:

Posted by Nicholas Wheeler 1 on 16/11/2022 22:16:00:

Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 16/11/2022 20:38:37:

… but do they come with a rusty bed option?

Don't ask such a question. It will probably only lead to lots of speculation!

But it will be special Myford rust, carefully developed in a traditional damp shed, and applied by timeserved rusterers to provide the very best coverage and artistic merit.

Not these days it won't be. Myford are not what they used to be. Recent videos of their "factory" in Mytholmroyd reveled not a single time-served rusterer in sight. It seemed like all they were doing was assembling components from suppliers in damp sheds elsewhere. Any old brown stain gets called rust these days.

Oh.

Pity

Might as well buy a bigger, cheaper, more useful imported lathe and a nice holiday with the change.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Or for the 8,000 beer tokens they want for a top of the line new Myford, you could buy a lot of industrial quality lathe for that much. Holidays are always nice though, from what I remember when such things were possible…

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Mick B1 on 16/11/2022 19:21:15:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 16/11/2022 18:41:49:

Posted by Mick B1 on 16/11/2022 18:20:51:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 16/11/2022 17:45:48:

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Personally I'm in favour of buying British, all that's necessary is for famously tight Model Engineers to cough up the cash. Sadly, it appears most Model Engineers are keener to criticise the quality of imports than they are to buy British lathes. Expressing strong opinions on the web is free and easy, perhaps too cheap. I'm far more impressed by folk who put their money where their mouth is! Go on, buy a new Myford!

Dave

I can't let that pass without comment. There must be very many like me who simply would not be able to justify the cash to buy a new Myford even if we wanted to.

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Including me Mick, I have a Far Eastern workshop…

Dave

Duh. Then I think we need an emoticon to signify the writer assuming a persona with an opinion at variance to their own.

It's why I'm against opinion as a way of doing business: I think in terms of options where it's always necessary to consider facts. Truth is, if you buy a lathe, you have to balance the pros and cons. Buying:

• new Western assures condition (we hope) and delivery but they're too expensive for most hobbyists.
• second-hand Western is affordable, but condition is not assured, you sort out delivery, and what's available is unpredictable. A certain amount of expertise helps avoid expensive mistakes!
• new Hobby is affordable, plenty of choice for online purchase, and delivery sorted. But the tools are made down to a price and 'fit for purpose' is assured by warranty and consumer protection. It's cheaper overall to let the customer find defects than it is to pay inspectors, a quality compromise that works well for most buyers by keeping prices low, but thoroughly annoys the unlucky ones. However, even for them, the downside is hassle and upset rather than a financial loss.

The balance of pros and cons led me to choose Far Eastern and I've not regretted it. They do what I need despite the warts! I wish Myford could halve their prices through…

Dave

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

On the subject of Myford … which somehow ‘all things lead to’

I was rather intrigued by this: **LINK**

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293353377708

It’s apparently the second of two

MichaelG.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 17/11/2022 11:04:07:

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It's why I'm against opinion as a way of doing business: I think in terms of options where it's always necessary to consider facts. Truth is, if you buy a lathe, you have to balance the pros and cons.

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The balance of pros and cons led me to choose Far Eastern and I've not regretted it. They do what I need despite the warts! I wish Myford could halve their prices through…

Dave

Ah, but it's opinions that sequence the priorities of the facts when deciding.

Nevertheless I've come to similar conclusions to you. I'm afraid Myford would have to do a good deal better than halving their prices to spark my interest, though. I did run one for 15 years, though it was only a Speed 10.

[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/11/2022 12:08:20:

On the subject of Myford … which somehow ‘all things lead to’

I was rather intrigued by this: **LINK**

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293353377708

It’s apparently the second of two

MichaelG.

How would that mistake be rectified if the wrongly placed bolt hole is very close to, i.e. partly overlapping, where it needs to be?

Incidentally, I can't help thinking I've seen better deburring of bolt holes on much cheaper machinery.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I’m saying nothing, Bill

… except that I was really impressed by the ‘open days’ that Myford held at Beeston.

MichaelG.

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by Bill Phinn on 18/11/2022 14:05:13:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/11/2022 12:08:20:

On the subject of Myford … which somehow ‘all things lead to’

I was rather intrigued by this: **LINK**

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293353377708

It’s apparently the second of two

MichaelG.

How would that mistake be rectified if the wrongly placed bolt hole is very close to, i.e. partly overlapping, where it needs to be?

Incidentally, I can't help thinking I've seen better deburring of bolt holes on much cheaper machinery.

Drill and tap a bigger hole half way between where it is and where it should be. Screw in a plug with loctite. File and scrape the top of the plug to match the surface. Drill and tap new hole in right place.

 

The question is, as this is an old bed reground, how did the hole get in the wrong place? 

Edited By duncan webster on 18/11/2022 14:53:07

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