Rules or Rulers

[Gone AwayParticipant @goneaway]

Posted by Robbo on 27/03/2014 19:22:33

:……ending a sentence with a preposition was punishable

So it should be – ending a sentence with a preposition is a grammatical error up with which I will not put.

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools

[Gone AwayParticipant @goneaway]

Posted by Michael Poole on 28/03/2014 00:14:28:

Rules are for the guidance of wise men …..

Such as Rulers?

[Bill PudneyParticipant @billpudney37759]

I'm with Winnie the Poo, the well known authority on such things.

A couple of days ago I found my slide RULE which hasn't been used for 40 odd (some of them very odd) years.

Its now in the bin.

cheers

Bill

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, this difference of opinion was also disccused in this thread **LINK**

Regards Nick.

Edited By Nicholas Farr on 28/03/2014 07:18:51

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

G'day.

I still remember the playground song we used to sing in East London playgrounds.

"Glory, Glory, Halleujah, Teacher Hit Me with The Ruler"

Rule would not rhyme.

Pedants may rule but most rulers are a little more flexible.

* Danny M *

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Topics for the day – meauring with a 'vernier'.

And how does micrometer become 'Mike'.

[IDPParticipant @idp]

At school sandpaper was stored at the bottom of the parrot's cage.

Regards

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bazyle on 28/03/2014 08:58:41:

… how does micrometer become 'Mike'.

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Simple phœnetics

look & listen, here

MichaelG.

 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/03/2014 10:13:12

[LambtonParticipant @lambton]

Another pointless thread!

Just buy a good one, whatever is called, and get on and use it.

Eric

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Hi Lambton.

i see you have the Penshaw Monument as an Avatar

I seem to remember my Grandfather speaking a rhyme about a giant worm connected to it as well.

Edited By V8Eng on 28/03/2014 11:54:57

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

That would be Lord Lampton, who , all good people know, caught the worm and then howed it down the well because he could not be bothered to carry it home.

[IDPParticipant @idp]

I wondered if a slide rule was a measure of how far standards are allowed to slip

[LambtonParticipant @lambton]

V8Eng and Gordon,

Aye Lord Lambton was the man "brave Sir John" no less. The worm grew so big that it "lapped he's tail seven times round Pensher Hill" ……….

As a lad my Grandmother used to tell me the story.

In the days of the Gresley pacifics on the East Coast main line I used to watch out for the Penshaw monument on the right hand side when returning to Newcastle as it meant I was nearly home. Happy days indeed.

Eric

[thomas oliver 2Participant @thomasoliver2]

You would not think so from the photo, but Penshaw Monument is so big that one pillar is hollow and has a spiral staircase inside. The public can now ascend and walk around the top on conducted tours. From the top, you can see half of Tyneside, the Wear valley including Lord Lambtons huge estate and all the local sites of interest relating to the early steam age, which abound in the area. At the site of the old Lambton colliery, an original early wooden railway was recently uncovered. All the Locomotion locos (there were several) were built at the engine house beside Hetton Lyons Colliery which was recently demolished – a crying shame.

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Edited By Neil Wyatt on 28/03/2014 20:16:47

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Thomas – are there two of you or is this an echo?

N

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by NJH on 28/03/2014 19:12:55:

Thomas – are there two of you or is this an echo?

N

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I think it's Thomas and anti-Thomas, both contributing

… Check the first few words of each post

MichaelG.

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

G'day

Here in the colonies we still have interesting locations such as ' Three Chain Road'

Whether this was the lengths of the convicts chains or whatever is a mystery to me. How long is a chain?

Still a nice place to live though.

* Danny M *

[MICHAEL WILLIAMSParticipant @michaelwilliams41215]

22 yards or 1/10 of a furlong or 1/80 of mile .

Standard surveying tool and measurement .

Normal minimum radius curves for British railways are 2 chains in sidings , 5 chains general running lines and 10 chains min for fast running lines .

Cricket pitch .

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I think the chains are now 20m, while since I did land surveying at college but they were definately metric but the actual "Chain " as a measurement is a Michael says.

 

J

Edited By JasonB on 28/03/2014 20:11:03

[Bill PudneyParticipant @billpudney37759]

I've told this story before, but what the….

During an argument at work, a particularly stroppy Workshop Foreman told me, angrily "…dimension the thing how you like…".

As a draughtsman with a love for history, the next series of drawings I produced were dimensioned in Cubits. I did have a conversion back to the more conventional and somewhat tedious millimetres. However the dribbling I used to hear from the Foreman stopped there!!

This little story went down in the companies "Folklore Stories" I have been led to believe

Graham, my memory tells me that my ditched slip stick was a British Thornton. It hit the bin with most of my tattier drawing instruments, however I kept the Kern stuff, and a rather magnificent beam compass, made by a model engineer in Southampton.

cheers

Bill

[MICHAEL WILLIAMSParticipant @michaelwilliams41215]

The measuring chain was 22 yards when everything was Imperial and land survey done in Miles etc .

Don’t exactly know when it all went Metric but as you say modern measuring chain is 20 M.

Actually the two chains are about the same length within a few inches – about 4 1/2 inches diferent I think from memory .

I remember all the Imperial measures with fondness from junior school – we learned them all at a very young age .

Not obvious but the Imperial system was more logical than the modern Metric system . A mile can be broken down in the old system into meaningful lengths consistent with sizes of building plots , fields , road widths – anything you like in Imperial had a practical origin and a rod and a pole etc where both useful lengths and actual tools .

Michael Williams .

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

This is a pretty good summary …

Note particularly that, pre-Gunter, Rods/Poles/Perches varied in length according to what quality of land was being measured [and this carried over to the measurement of area]. Effectively, there was a "scale factor" applied, appropriate to the "value" of the plot. … Obviously; although this "fiddle-factor" was fine at a local level, it is not really practical when attempting to survey the Britsh Isles.

MichaelG.

[MadMikeParticipant @madmike]

A chain always was and remains 22 yards. The perpetrators of the Napoleonic measurement system can call 20 metres anything they like, BUT it is still only a mere 20 metres. Anyway a chain must remain at 22 yards in perpetuity, otherwise how will they know how long to make a standard imperial 22 yard cricket pitch?

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

Cables?

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