Quorn / Bonelle Grinder Spindle question

[BizibilderParticipant @bizibilder]

I have almost completed the spindle components for my Bonelle T&C grinder but am stuck as to how to finish the 5/16" hole through the spindle. The spindle is more or less exactly the same as that of the Quorn. The through hole is drilled (letter N) and I will be setting the spindle in the lathe to machine the bore and conical seating in situ as suggested by Prof Chaddock.

In his book he says "bore the first 1 1/4" with a small boring tool" and "you can bring this hole to final size with a d-bit or reamer" then "finish the hole with a 5/16 drill or reamer".

Its the last bit that is confusing me – Or am I overthinking this and should simply bore (to correct any eccentricity of the important part of the hole) and then ream to finish this part to size – continuing to ream right through in order to "clear the rest of the hole to allow the drawbar to pass".

Any hints from someone who has done this already would be most gratefully received.

[BizibilderParticipant @bizibilder]

Finishing the spindle through hole

[Clive Brown 1Participant @clivebrown1]

The original ME article actually calls for the first 1.125" length of the bore to be bored concentric, (not 1.25" ) and then sized to 8mm. This is to ensure that the reamer or D bit starts true. This is the critical part of the spindle bore Bear in mind that the suggested "N" drill only leaves 0.013" to clean up this diameter. The remaining length of the bore can then be opened out with a 5/16" drill since it only needs to clear the drawbar, not critical, although a reamer would leave a nicer finish.

The drawbar diameter should be a bare 5/16", (to quote a recent thread!)

[peak4Participant @peak4]

My reading is that the bored part of the hole is guaranteed to be concentric, and will then guide the D Bit/reamer to ensure the rest is as concentric as possible, in case the original N drill has wandered a bit.

I didn't build mine from scratch as I bought an almost completed one; the vendor suggested I looked to check out the spindle and bearings, but didn't say why.
It seems that he's not machined the bore and taper in situ using the grinding head bearings.
The taper was about 10 thou off centre, as was the through hole, so I re-machined it back to concentricity.
I did struggle to get the bore fully concentric all the way along, but it's OK for the part which supports/locates the wheel arbors.
The bore is now a tad oversize compared to the drawbar, and the supplies arbors, but I reversed the whole spindle head in the fixed steady and made sure there was a concentric section at the left hand end; this fits a small stepped section on the drawbar handle/knob.

Whilst the topslide was still offset for the internal taper, I also made a dozen or so blank arbors.
This ensured the tapers are the same as the hole, and the parallel sections now suite the new larger bore.

So that I could keep the thick end of the blank arbors in the chuck (a Griptru, which helps) I ran the lathe backwards and turned the arbors' tapers on the far side, using a boring bar from what I recall.

I was using a Myford clone (Warco 720) for this whole job, which obviously has the potential issue of the chuck unscrewing when running the lathe backwards.
My 6" 4 jaw has a separate backplate, where the hole through the backplate is smaller than the chuck's throat, so it's an easy matter to use a large washer, a nut, and some threaded rod through the Myford spindle as a drawbar to keep the chuck in place.

The 4" Griptru is slightly more difficult, but fortunately I have one with a backplate, rather than a threaded body.
I've adapted the backplate slightly; the outer of the register remains, but there is a recess in the centre, deep enough to take a washer between the front of the register and the back of the chuck. (there should always be a gap there anyway.
A have a washer where I've filled two flats on opposing sides, so it fits up the bore of the chuck/backplate on edge, but swivels and drops into the aforementioned recess.
I can then carry on as before with nut and all-thread as a drawbar.

Bill

[BizibilderParticipant @bizibilder]

Thanks to you both – I think I will bore the first inch or so and finish with the reamer. The reamer can continue through the rest of the hole and follow its own path as this is only clearance for the drawbar. The conical seating at the front end will then be done as this is the main "alignment" surface of the whole thing.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

Is it worth making a replica spindle nose (internal) on an MT2 shank so it will go concentric in the headstock while you're set up? Then could use this to machine the mounting end of arbors for grinding wheels.

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Posted by John Haine on 31/10/2022 17:39:20:

Is it worth making a replica spindle nose (internal) on an MT2 shank so it will go concentric in the headstock while you're set up? Then could use this to machine the mounting end of arbors for grinding wheels.

Not a bad idea.
As well as a bunch of blank arbors, I also made a couple of longer rods which can be used for setting up, and a small collet chuck + Collets.
The little chuck duplicates the end of my 110V die grinder, so I can use mounted grinding points on the Quorn.

Bill

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by peak4 on 30/10/2022 17:28:51:

Whilst the topslide was still offset for the internal taper, I also made a dozen or so blank arbors.
This ensured the tapers are the same as the hole, and the parallel sections now suite the new larger bore.

So that I could keep the thick end of the blank arbors in the chuck (a Griptru, which helps) I ran the lathe backwards and turned the arbors' tapers on the far side, using a boring bar from what I recall.

I was using a Myford clone (Warco 720) for this whole job, which obviously has the potential issue of the chuck unscrewing when running the lathe backwards.

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Bill

Run it forwards but with the tool upside down at the back. Also good for internal screw cutting, the chips fall off the tool better and it's the same direction of feed as external so less confusing

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Posted by duncan webster on 31/10/2022 22:30:10:

Posted by peak4 on 30/10/2022 17:28:51:

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So that I could keep the thick end of the blank arbors in the chuck (a Griptru, which helps) I ran the lathe backwards and turned the arbors' tapers on the far side, using a boring bar from what I recall.
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Bill

Run it forwards but with the tool upside down at the back. Also good for internal screw cutting, the chips fall off the tool better and it's the same direction of feed as external so less confusing

I did consider that, but the cutting tool would have been too low in the QD toolpost, and it was easier to just run backwards, rather than fabricate a new one.
I do have another Dickson style QD toolpost, mounted on a riser block at the back of the cross slide, but I obviously couldn't easily use that for a taper.

Bill

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Just a quick photo of the collet chuck for the Quorn, to take ¼" & 6mm mounted grinding points, or even carbide burrs.

I'd forgotten, It looks like I already had a photo in the album of the one on a long spindle/arbor too.
The lower right one is the Clarkson adaptor for their milling chuck(s)

Bill

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