Proof reading, what proof reading ?

[Eric CoxParticipant @ericcox50497]

Lack of proof reading
either by publishing staff or article authors raises its head in ME4411 yet
again.

The material list,
page 285, is fine until it reaches the fastenings with nothing in its correct
column with no dimension given for the length of the csk. screws nor any
reference to the spring dimensions or its type. Is it compression, expansion or
bed ?.

Fig. 2 on page 287
shows the base plate and not the cylinders as stated in the text.

On page 295 the
drawing of the base plate is poorly dimensioned with the axis of the flywheel
shaft on the plan being given by reference to four dimensions. You can either
locate the 4mm Dia. Hole and then advance 167.5mm, come in 238.5mm from one end
or 105.5mm from the opposite end but hey it’s nice to have a choice.

On the side elevation
the elongated recess has five 8BA holes. The first pair is 13.25mm from the
end. The single hole is 14.75mm from the next pair of holes but there is no
dimension given to fix the position of the single hole in relation to the side
or the first pair of holes. Yes, I know it’s probably 28mm but one should never
assume dimensions.

And finally, what is
the purpose of the two photos on page 296 apart from padding out the article as
they show the milling cutters in mid air, nowhere near what they should be
cutting.

Edited By Eric Cox on 28/08/2011 10:37:47

[Eric CoxParticipant @ericcox50497]

[Gray62Participant @gray62]

You could say the same about photos 3,4,5 and 6 on pages 294-295. We all know what a part looks like in a chuck, these photos add absolutoely nothing to the article and are simply padding.

It’s all well having pretty colour photos in an article but they must add value and show something that is of use in the construction etc.

 

my 2 penneth

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Not to mention the overcrank engine describing a walk through the beach woodland not BEECH and the flywheels being avalable from Stewarts not STUARTS

 

I don’t have an issue with the drawings on 295, always better to have an overall dim and then the individual positions dimensioned as it gives us something to check against. The 5 holes are simple enough the single one is central to the others the 35.5mm is twice 14.75, can’t see where you get 28mm from. These drawings are a lot better than some we get, at least you can make the engien from them.

 

pic 7, the cutter is just above the opening which it is being used to cut around the internal edge of, hardly nowher near, same with pc 8 but granted that could have been smaller. I think pic 5 is useful as it showes the clampoing plate.

 

J

Edited By JasonB on 28/08/2011 11:27:52

Edited By JasonB on 28/08/2011 11:28:30

[Eric CoxParticipant @ericcox50497]

The hole is 28mm from the end of the base plate. Half of 35.5 + 10.25

 

“the 35.5mm is twice 14.75 ” I think not. Try proof reading before posting then we wouldn’t get “engien” and “clampoing”

 

pic’s 7 & 8 would have been better had the milling cutter been touching the base plate.

Edited By Eric Cox on 28/08/2011 11:59:35

Edited By Eric Cox on 28/08/2011 12:00:50

[adyParticipant @ady]

looks fine to me.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

“The material list, page 285, is fine until it reaches the fastenings with nothing in its correct column with no dimension given for the length of the csk. screws nor any reference to the spring dimensions or its type. Is it compression, expansion or bed ?.”

 

Hopefully the sizes will be given on the drawings when they are printed. Why complain about no lengths of fixings when you have not complained about no sizes of any of the materials, at least its consistant if in the wrong column. I must say that I do personally find a list like this a bit of a waste of two and a bit pages

 

If you are in a hurry to get started and want to buy in the fixings & materials then the whole build of this engine has been covers on another forum, you can read it there. As there is only one spring listed its obviouly the one from the governor so compression as can be seen on the front cover.

 

As for engien & clampoing thats partly typing on my way out and also mild dyslexia which I can’t help.

 

J

Edited By JasonB on 28/08/2011 12:58:32

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Just an update on the spring, rob it out of a ball point pen. As with most governors it will likely need a bit of playing around with spring rates to get your particular engine running at the required rpm as in the small sizes they are affected a lot by internal friction.

 

J

[DerryUKParticipant @derryuk]

On the one hand it’s all done to the minimum cost as a publisher. On the other as a writer if you get paid per page then padding things out with photos (and sometimes redundant text) puts the price up.

 

So, based on the above, things won’t or aren’t likely to change.

 

However, how about having volunteer proof readers?

 

Derry.

[Anonymous]

In response to Ady’s picture all I can say is ‘quack quack’. I’ll leave it to others to work out why that is appropriate.

 

Regards,

 

Andrew

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Andrew Johnston on 28/08/2011 14:31:37:

In response to Ady’s picture all I can say is ‘quack quack’. I’ll leave it to others to work out why that is appropriate.

 

Regards,

 

Andrew

 

 

Canard?

 

 

Martin.

[John McNamaraParticipant @johnmcnamara74883]

No Photoshop…

Or like a Camel it was designed by a committee
Most likely a government committee

 

Cheers

John

[Richard ParsonsParticipant @richardparsons61721]

Andy – Blowlamp.

Ouch! That is a bit of a canard!

As this is a ‘Chuck your toys out of the pram’ session’. So I am throwing out my pet elephant and the gorilla as well. In Vol 207 No 4411 there is the first instalment of a series I am interested in. It is building a 5cc racing engine. I calculate that it will be No 4413 –Early October 2011 before I know anything about the materials of some of the major components.

It would be useful to get a list of raw materials needed in the end of the first instalment. Over here in Hungary by the end of October you can get ½ meter of snow and -20 at midday so almost everything shuts down (including the postal services).

Under my bench there are six or seven projects ‘stopped’ for various (simple) items. There is another which was thrown out into the road by a Hungarian who wanted something ‘Done Now!’ and another that had a tractor cylinder head dumped on it by the same (tribal) Geezer. This was after I said I could not weld up the cracks. So now I gather all the things I need before I start and keep them under a Big lock and a complicated key.

rgds

Dick

[Stewart HartParticipant @stewarthart90345]

Poor spelling is something I’ve struggled with all my life, when clearing out my fathers flat we came across one of my old school reports from when I was 10, it said Stewart is very good verbally but his spelling is very poor, I envy people who can look at a page and spot every single spelling mistake in an instance, that is something I’ve never been able to do, but I’ll never let it stop me commucating.

 

People who are good spellers are very fortunate indeed, but they should use their skill with thought and consideration for those less fortunate.

 

My name is spelt Stewart, and I’ve gone through life with people spelling my name Stuart so I was just getting my own back.

 

I use to draw up bills of materials, so I’m quite aware of how it should be done, but this is a hobby, so I drew the bill of materials up to reflect this, the engine was built using what materials I had at hand, I just wanted to give choice of material. Anyone who decides to build this engine can work out the size themselves from the drawings.

 

As for the screw lengths I bought in bulk the longest metric screws I could then just simply cut them down to size, we all have a hacksaw, this is the most economical way of doing it.

 

I really enjoy the process of drawing up an engine making it and passing the experience to others, I’m more than ready to acknowledge that the articles are less that perfect, I’m not a professional author, just someone who loves this great hobby and if I can encourage others to take it up thats fine, and if along the way people start to appreciate engineering that thats even better.

 

So don’t be put off by the criticism dip your toes in the water and send some articles into the magazine, I’ve found the editorial staff more than helpful.

 

Stew or should that be Stue

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[michael coleParticipant @michaelcole91146]

Stewart, I dont know what age you are, but Iike most of us you are problly in the older half of the population. I also am very poor at spelling yet verbally and reading better than most. One of my sons is the same and the difference in support he is getting at school conparted to the none that I received is hugh.

 

Mike

[Anonymous]

Martin; looks like you’ve quacked it!

 

For anybody who doesn’t see the connection, technically the small winglets at the front of the fuselage are called canards. Colloquially, canard is also used to describe the generic arrangement of main wing at the rear and small wings for stability at the front. Canard is also the French word for duck, hence……..

 

I will now duck, in another sense of the word, in case there are any incoming brickbats.

 

Regards,

 

Andrew

[adyParticipant @ady]

I wouldn’t worry about a bit of dyslexia, it just means the brain operates differently.

 

Jackie Stewart had dyslexia, and won 3 world championships (plus 2xsecond place) while his Formula One competition was being barbequed and mangled in large quantities.

The way it was back then

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if his alternative brain system was directly responsible for his survival in motor racing.

Back in the late 60s early 1970s I used to watch Formula one more for the incredible level of carnage, crashes and fireballs, than the racing stuff, It beats me how the guy survived almost untouched.

Edited By ady on 28/08/2011 21:25:11

[Anonymous]

Hi Robin,

 

Thanks for asking; unfortunately the gliding is competing, and losing, with the great British weather! It is my day in the big glider today. I will be going out to the gliding club soon, but the weather is doing exactly what is forecast, ie, over-developing. So I don’t think I will be flying.

I haven’t had to use the ‘iron thermal’ in anger yet, although the thought did cross my mind the last time I flew the big glider. I arrived at HusBos (a gliding site near the M1/M6 junction) at about 1500 feet, after rejecting a few climbs as I didn’t think they were good enough. There were then three choices, find some lift PDQ, start the ‘iron’ thermal’, or land and have another launch after a nice cup of tea. I chose to park under the nearest circling glider, only a couple of knots climb, but it gives you thinking time and some height to move on to something better. Took me about 15 minutes to sort myself out and get back to cloud base. After that no more hiccups! Total flight time 4 hours 30 minutes, total distance flown 330 kilometres.

 

Last Monday I did my biennial flight review with an instructor to keep my power licence current. As part of a new CAA initiative the instructor also had to assess, and report on, my English skills. Apparently he rated me ‘expert’.

 

Regards,

 

Andrew

 

PS: Completely overcast in Cambridge now, wouldn’t be surprised if it rained later. Ah well, at least it means workshop time this afternoon.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Posted by Derry Hincks on 28/08/2011 14:23:15:

On the one hand it’s all done to the minimum cost as a publisher. On the other as a writer if you get paid per page then padding things out with photos (and sometimes redundant text) puts the price up.

 

So, based on the above, things won’t or aren’t likely to change.

 

However, how about having volunteer proof readers?

 

Derry.

 

 

I vote Eric, after all he has time on his hands and is doing the job anyway !

 

<big grin >

 

John S.

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi There

Don’t start on thi9s again.

I am laid up in bed with a virus and can do without this.

 

regards David

 

[haroldParticipant @harold]

What’s an ‘iron thermal’, then?

 

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

Engine???

Rgds

Bill

[TerrydParticipant @terryd72465]

Posted by Andrew Johnston on 29/08/2011 11:07:22:

……………………..

 

I haven’t had to use the ‘iron thermal’ in anger yet, although the thought did cross my mind the last time I flew the big glider. I arrived at HusBos (a gliding site near the M1/M6 junction) at about 1500 feet, after rejecting a few climbs as I didn’t think they were good enough……………………………..

 

Andrew

 

PS: Completely overcast in Cambridge now, wouldn’t be surprised if it rained later. Ah well, at least it means workshop time this afternoon.

 

Hi Andrew,

 

Next time you’re over HusBos give us a wave over here in Walcote,near to J20 M1, about 5 miles from the Airfield.

 

Regards

 

Terry

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

Anthony quite rightly says on a canard the from wings are there for stability, on the Eurofighter RAF Typhoon, they are responsible for its fantastic handling, ie they stabilise an otherwise unstable device.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Hi Terry, not heard from you in a while, I assume you have now got the workshop up & running and thats where you have been hiding, either that or working on your drawing standards article

 

J

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