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[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

The video is typical of a group who troll the police. If you fancy copying it bearin mind that the terroisim regulations give the police wide ranging powers and just filming the routine around a police station could be considered intelligence gathering. This could result in you be held without charge for up to 14 days….
Unlikely but not impossible.

That said some police don’t do themseleves and favours. Even some of the broadcast programs don’t show them in a good light. More recent ones are better but I’ve seen them showing the police swearing in public and then later arresting people for swearing…

[CirclipParticipant @circlip]

Sorry Duncan (and Others), I  thought the opening lines of my reply would have qualified the origination of the problems. If I had added “The home of Litigation”, that would have nailed it.  It used to take about five years for our dross to catch up but thanks to ‘tinternet, we get it today or termorrer if you’re on copper rather than fibre.

Regards  Ian.

[Paul Kemp]

On Paul Kemp Said:

Not sure what to make of that video I am afraid.  I would say the fellow was trying to provoke a reaction and the reaction he got was reasonable, he wasn’t threatened with arrest or moved on and he wasn’t prevented from filming.  If stand beside a hornets nest and poke it I guess you should expect to be stung….

Paul.

No need to be afraid, that wasn’t my point in posting the video. 🙄 It was the state of the police officer. Many years ago I used to socialise with several police officers and I’m sure they would have been shocked and disappointed by the appearance of that officer on duty.

[JAParticipant @ja]

IPO?

Should I believe everything I see on U-Tube?

JA

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

If he wasn’t filming, with the possibility of it being live streamed, they would have given him the usual hiding and then charged him with the traditional resisting arrest.

I don;t know why these YouTubers feel the need to deliberately do this stuff. As a lifelong motorcyclist, I have experienced enough of it while simply going about my own business riding down the road.

And as far as terrorism laws re filming cop shops etc goes, who gets to define who or what a terrorist is? It started out as a knee-jerk reaction after 9/11 in the USA and now it seems to apply to any citizen walking down a public street with a phone recording a cop shop. And the legislation has already been weaponised to include “greenie” protesters and others who have nothing to do with terrorists crashing aircraft into skyscrapers etc.

Geez, don’t get me started…

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

UK anti-terror laws long predate 9/11. We have our own domestic terrorists. The laws are quite broad and potentially cover items that the average model / electronics / engineering enthusiast may have in their workshop. Fortunatly application of them appears to be more focused.

[JAParticipant @ja]

9/11 certainly caused the USA to ramp up their anti-terrorist laws and I am a receipient of the process. Up until 2003 I visited the States three times, twice for two short holiday stop-overs and once for work. I had an open visa which was cancelled on my last visit (they were being discontinued).

In 2003 the police decided that I had been driving without insurance so I was called up to see the magistrate. I had insurance and was acquitted. However, after 9/11, anyone from the UK who had been prosecuted for a crime required a full visa, which may not be issued, to enter the States. The fact that you were acquitted is irrelevant.

JA

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

JA,

That is not my understanding. For starters you don’t actually have to declare minor motoring offences at all.

The ESTA question is:

“Have you ever been arrested or convicted for a crime that resulted in serious damage to property, or serious harm to another person, or government authority?”

Driving without insurance does not come under that

See:

Travelling from the UK with a criminal record

Of course if you have already said yes to the question in the last 5 years “undoing” it may be hard. If you havn’t done an ESTA in the last 5 years just say no. It might be worth getting a police certificate anyway to see what their records say or include in a visa application.
Other countries requirements vary. For example Canada are very strict on things like a drink driving history.

Robert.

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