Plasma cutter at lidl

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Posted by peak4 on 16/03/2023 17:17:55:

If anyone's near Glossop, and in the market for one, Lidl had 4 plasma cutters in stock when we left at about 16.30 today.
None of the accessory kits left though.

Bill

Note the one currently in Lidl is not the same as the one that started this long thread off. At least not in my local lidl.

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Posted by Bazyle on 16/03/2023 22:22:50:

Posted by peak4 on 16/03/2023 17:17:55:

If anyone's near Glossop, and in the market for one, Lidl had 4 plasma cutters in stock when we left at about 16.30 today.
None of the accessory kits left though.

Bill

Note the one currently in Lidl is not the same as the one that started this long thread off. At least not in my local lidl.

Yes, that's correct, the very first one they offered included a built in compressor, but was not available in any store in our area; indeed when I enquired, non had even been delivered.
Subsequently, a slightly smaller one without compressor was offered, and I think this one is a duplicate of that, (on offer from last Sunday ?? ).
I've not looked closely.

Bill

[Grindstone CowboyParticipant @grindstonecowboy]

Just for info, Blackpool South Shore Lidl has accessory kits (circle cutter, etc.) and consumables, but no actual units.

Rob

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 16/03/2023 18:44:53:

Posted by Nicholas Farr on 16/03/2023 15:58:15:

Hi, the maximum power you can use at home, is whatever the supply will allow, in my case it is 60A at 230V. I have a 30A socket to plug in my inverter welder, and it will struggle to work on anything less, basically for the arc striking threshold but doesn't use that much during actual welding, and my old manual metal arc welder has always blown a domestic plug top fuse if I use the top end of the output, so that gets plugged into a 16A socket.

So what makes the difference from a Plasma cutter to a TIG welder or an inverter welder, as far as emissions are concerned?

I will say that my nearest neighbour is about 100 meters away, and the local mains transformer is about 500 meters away, and I haven't had any complaints about any interference from anyone.

Regards Nick.

Edited By Nicholas Farr on 16/03/2023 15:59:02

Industrial TIGs and inverter welders can suffer from the same issues This is only talking about plasma cutters because that was the original subject. Plama cutters do tend to be worse because the plasma is produced by radio frequency power.
Lack of complaint is not evidence of lack of interference. A user may not associate disconnections / slow responce of their internet or failure o a electronic device (due to harmonics) with your hobby activities. It is also hard to track down the source without specialist equipment. Not like radio amateurs who have to give their call signs and often have large antennas.

Hi Robert, there seems to be an awful lot of companies selling Plasma Cutters where the public can buy them, even two well know High Street retailers, and none of them say they are for industrial use only, and have a looked through the instruction manual of one of them, the only environmental protection that is mentioned for private households, is the disposal (WEEE) and not to include them in household waste. So are these people wrong for selling such things to the public, or not saying they are for industrial use only? Furthermore, I've looked online for regulations about the use on domestic power, and haven't found anything to say they shouldn't be. I don't actually have a plasma cutter in my garage, and don't have any immediate plans to get one. I have used them at work, and in one of my jobs the workshop was next door to a private house.

Regards Nick.

[Milly SParticipant @millys]

Hi Ian I’ve read all the comments on the plasma

cutter I was also wondering weather to buy one

my local Lidl have them in store now £150

not sure if i should buy one what do you use yours for

this one needs a separate compressor at least 4bar

cheers Steve

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Posted by Nicholas Farr on 17/03/2023 13:38:16:

Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 16/03/2023 18:44:53:

Posted by Nicholas Farr on 16/03/2023 15:58:15:

Hi, the maximum power you can use at home, is whatever the supply will allow, in my case it is 60A at 230V. I have a 30A socket to plug in my inverter welder, and it will struggle to work on anything less, basically for the arc striking threshold but doesn't use that much during actual welding, and my old manual metal arc welder has always blown a domestic plug top fuse if I use the top end of the output, so that gets plugged into a 16A socket.

So what makes the difference from a Plasma cutter to a TIG welder or an inverter welder, as far as emissions are concerned?

I will say that my nearest neighbour is about 100 meters away, and the local mains transformer is about 500 meters away, and I haven't had any complaints about any interference from anyone.

Regards Nick.

Edited By Nicholas Farr on 16/03/2023 15:59:02

Industrial TIGs and inverter welders can suffer from the same issues This is only talking about plasma cutters because that was the original subject. Plama cutters do tend to be worse because the plasma is produced by radio frequency power.
Lack of complaint is not evidence of lack of interference. A user may not associate disconnections / slow responce of their internet or failure o a electronic device (due to harmonics) with your hobby activities. It is also hard to track down the source without specialist equipment. Not like radio amateurs who have to give their call signs and often have large antennas.

Hi Robert, there seems to be an awful lot of companies selling Plasma Cutters where the public can buy them, even two well know High Street retailers, and none of them say they are for industrial use only, and have a looked through the instruction manual of one of them, the only environmental protection that is mentioned for private households, is the disposal (WEEE) and not to include them in household waste. So are these people wrong for selling such things to the public, or not saying they are for industrial use only? Furthermore, I've looked online for regulations about the use on domestic power, and haven't found anything to say they shouldn't be. I don't actually have a plasma cutter in my garage, and don't have any immediate plans to get one. I have used them at work, and in one of my jobs the workshop was next door to a private house.

Regards Nick.

Hi Nick, sorry for late reply. I wasn't following the thread closely.
It depends on what environment the unit was designed for. While coming fitted with a 13A plug only close inspection of the UKCA / CE declaration will tell for sure.
As has been said before it is basically not expected that these would be used domestically. The seller is not responsible. It's like the electric scooters, illeagal to ride them anywhere public but plenty of big name stores selling them…. It's the user who is responsible and ignorance of the law is no excuse. Lelvel of enforcement may vary…..

Robert.

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Posted by Milly S on 24/03/2023 07:15:52:

Hi Ian I’ve read all the comments on the plasma

cutter I was also wondering weather to buy one

my local Lidl have them in store now £150

not sure if i should buy one what do you use yours for

this one needs a separate compressor at least 4bar

cheers Steve

Steve,

The green 30A one that needed a compressor was originally sold for nearly £90 a couple of years ago. It's your money.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

what do you use yours for

As an aside, what do others use their plasma cutter for – other than cutting metal?

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Other than cutting metal and blowing out broken taps, which is still cutting metal really I use mine for for shaving or errr ………………………………………… It smells terrible.

Edited By Dave Halford on 25/03/2023 09:04:03

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