PHEV’s

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

For what little it’s worth … here is the Team:

https://www.autoinsuranceez.com/about-us/

MichaelG.

[VicParticipant @vic]

I Deliberately left the Kia.com at the top of the screenshot but here is a link.

https://www.kia.com/mu/discover-kia/ask/what-are-the-disadvantages-of-a-hybrid-car.html

[SillyOldDuffer]

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I’d like an explanation of those numbers.

Is is really true that 1.5% of gasoline powered vehicles catch fire?   Or, though unlikely, do they mean natural gas IC rather than gasoline?

And what it is that makes hybrids twice as likely to burn as IC cars?  Can’t be the battery, because according to those figures electric cars are almost fireproof!

Late note.  Pleased to report my suspicions are justified:  see Car & Driver’s article “No, Millions of Cars Are Not Catching Fire Every Year“,   AutoInsuranceEZ isn’t an Insurance Company, nor do they understand statistics.

Internet carp strikes again!  Please be careful out there Vic.

Dave

 

Well it seems lots of folks are being misled by the “facts”? This is from 2024.

“Most fires occur with hybrid vehicles, followed by petrol cars. Battery electric vehicles are least likely to catch fire.”

https://www.dekra.com/en/electric-vehicle-fires-how-often-do-they-really-occur/

Perhaps it’s a result of so much anti EV misinformation being spread about?

[VicParticipant @vic]

BMW have had problems with their conventional cars catching fire. This, from a week ago suggests their Hybrids have caught the bug? 😆

https://www.batteriesontheweb.co.uk/bmw-battery-fire-risks/

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Hmm that is the Kia Mauritius website. Does not appear on the UK site.

So much misinformation on the internet.

Robert.

[Vic]

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Well it seems lots of folks are being misled by the “facts”? This is from 2024.<strong style=”font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;”>“Most fires occur with hybrid vehicles, followed by petrol cars. Battery electric vehicles are least likely to catch fire.”

https://www.dekra.com/en/electric-vehicle-fires-how-often-do-they-really-occur/

Perhaps it’s a result of so much anti EV misinformation being spread about?

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A short snippet from that dekra link^^^

[quote] Referring to a recent study conducted by a US insurance company, Markus Egelhaaf reports … [/quote]

I wonder which “US insurance company” that might be 🙂

MichaelG.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

I bough  a 4 year old large PHEV nearly five years ago. Tax is zero. Maintence, repairs and tyres has been about £700 a year. Depreciation has been minimal, about 5% PA. So total cost excluding fuel and insurance has been less than £150 per month. Work commute is fuel free as I can charge FoC at work. can’t do much better than that. Even if you wrote the value off completely after 5 years it’s less than a PCP contract on a mid spec Astra petrol (which you have to pay over £10,000 to keep after 4 years) not counting maintenance and £190 a year tax.

Robert.

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

I can charge FoC at work. Maybe you should keep quite or the taxman may come after you .

H

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

No problem with the tax man. Initally companies were supposed to apply for an exemption based on it being insignificant benefit. They did away with that and now it’s automatically a free benefit.

Robert.

[VicParticipant @vic]

A mates just bought a RAV4 Hybrid, hopefully it’s been sorted?! 😆

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

https://www.toyota.co.uk/owners/vehicle-information/recall-checker

MichaelG.

[Vic]

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A mates just bought a RAV4 Hybrid, hopefully it’s been sorted?! 😆

Well, keeping it in perspective, in the past few weeks, Toyota have just recalled 102,092 ICE vehicles for a full engine replacement.   “There is a possibility that certain machining debris may not have been cleared from the engine when it was produced. In the involved vehicles, this can lead to potential engine knocking, engine rough running, engine no start and/or a loss of motive power. A loss of motive power while driving at higher speeds can increase the risk of a crash.”  

Other ongoing recalls: “22 vehicle models for equipment issues” details later this month,  plus “33,848 cars, trucks, and SUVs due to a label displaying an incorrect load-carrying capacity “.

Ask ourselves a few questions:

• Does the RAV4 fire concern relate to hybrids in general or is it because Toyota are going through a bad patch at the moment?
• Is there any solid evidence that hybrids are more likely to catch fire than other types of road vehicle?  Assertions on the internet without data or a reference are not, repeat NOT, evidence.   So far the only source I’ve seen that does quote numbers turned out to be a pile of elephant droppings!
• In general, when trawling the internet, how does one tell the difference between truth and lies?  A great deal of internet material has severe quality issues because so many posters favour beliefs, emotions, wishful-thinking, blame culture, lies, ego, and jumping to conclusions over cold-hard facts.

Dave

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Based on my reading of this:

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/toyota-rav4-suvs-recalled-due-to-battery-concerns-a5788234080/?srsltid=AfmBOoo2uPxbuIe_-Hu8FgpkiOI6djMKBXLPt5ydu9wQatRwhmhXvjXA

It isn’t really a “battery” issue … simply a matter of BAD basic mechanical engineering !

MichaelG.

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How the mighty are fallen:

https://www.tundras.com/media/toyoda-emblem-steering-wheel-overlay.35443/

[Clock polisherParticipant @clockpolisher]

Good afternoon,

My neighbour has just acquired £30k worth of 72 plate Tesla. Good for him.

Now I can’t hear him leaving or arriving which is brilliant. Apart from all the usual door banging of course.

BUT

He then charges it on his drive under my windows and it sounds like a cheap air-conditioning system with various battery pack and electronics cooling fans running through the night.

It’s plainly audible, even through closed windows.

Tesla and the other PHEV supporters don’t mention that, do they?

disgruntled,

David

 

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Vic, This is close to trolling. The recall has nothing to do with hybrid or electric vehicles and as it only applies to models up to 2018 your “mate’s” new hybrid is claearly not affected.

The problem is people fitting undersize replacement batteries. Most companies would not do a recall for this. It is also an MOT failure in the UK and all affected cars would be due an MOT.

It just shows the differenc between Toyta and say Vauxhall who would not do a recall for fires due to them not fitting a thermal fuse on heater fan speed resistors until forced to by consumer groups and the media.

Robert.

[Michael Gilligan]

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MichaelG.

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How the mighty are fallen:

https://www.tundras.com/media/toyoda-emblem-steering-wheel-overlay.35443/

Fine until you have an accident and the airbag projects the pointy badge into your eye….

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Silly decals are also available, for the more safety conscious

My emphasis was on the Toy / Yoda bit

… and how much the attention to mechanical detail must have changed since TopGear drop-tested one of the famous everlasting pick-ups.

MichaelG.

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https://youtu.be/xnWKz7Cthkk?feature=shared

 

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