Nut Making

[VicParticipant @vic]

[VicParticipant @vic]

In India.

https://youtu.be/mrcx5rluIXM

Edited By Vic on 28/05/2022 17:25:50

Edited By JasonB on 28/05/2022 19:52:17

[Thor 🇳🇴Participant @thor]

HSE not quite what I'm used too.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Posted by Thor 🇳🇴 on 29/05/2022 07:29:52:

HSE not quite what I'm used too.

That is why indian and chinese offerings are a lot cheaper the made in Britain.🙂

Also why the quality is more variable, too?

[Thor 🇳🇴Participant @thor]

Posted by not done it yet on 29/05/2022 07:37:39:

Posted by Thor 🇳🇴 on 29/05/2022 07:29:52:

HSE not quite what I'm used too.

That is why indian and chinese offerings are a lot cheaper the made in Britain.🙂

Also why the quality is more variable, too?

[PeroParticipant @pero]

Presumably that's how the Chinese made the 1 mm stainless steel nuts I purchased a while ago. Hope they don't lose too many on the factory floor!

While these videos are fun I doubt they are in any way representative of current manufacturing processes for the larger domestic and export markets in either India or China.

In this case they are likely using European machinery pensioned off some years ago when productivity fell too low and labour costs became too high. The problem is that even though wages are increasing in China and modern manufacturing process with lower workforce requirements are taking over, these industries are not returning to the western world even though we should now be competitive. Why is it so?

Pero

[CirclipParticipant @circlip]

Before many throw their hands up in horror, until we became a nanny state, this was how Britain generated an Empire in our own slave shops as any who were apprentices sixty years ago will attest.

Regards Ian.

Edited By Circlip on 29/05/2022 09:07:22

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

As wealth increases a society gains more silly government drones who enforce more and more silly government regulations which strangle human endeavour

500 tears ago it was silly clergy drones forbidding human endeavour

Al these "rules" people generate zero wealth for society

After we got shot of the clergy 500 years ago (100% redundancies) we got the British Empire and the Industrial revolution

Henry was a selfish twit but the law of unintended consequences meant he changed global history

edit

More recently we got rid of the EU drones and now we are starting to do the industrial and innovative things they wouldn't allow us to do

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose “ – the more things change, the more they stay the same

Edited By Ady1 on 29/05/2022 09:33:51

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Interesting to see skilled folk doing stuff for real.

Looks like they recognise the value of spiral-flute taps, even for through-holes.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Ady1 on 29/05/2022 09:26:45:

As wealth increases a society gains more silly government drones who enforce more and more silly government regulations which strangle human endeavour

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More recently we got rid of the EU drones and now we are starting to do the industrial and innovative things they wouldn't allow us to do

Arguably wealth tends to strangle endeavour more than than silly government regulations. When most people are poor it's easy for an entrepreneur to create wealth by building a dangerous chemical works in a communities back garden, pay minimum wage, and dump toxic waste into the water supply! As soon as people have money they become instant NIMBY's (Not in my back yard). They demand regulations covering planning, exploitation, equitable taxation, health and safety, pollution, and anything else considered anti-social. Most of those in favour of laissez faire developments run in straight to the law when they find a new deregulated toxic waste dump is planned next door to their house!

As for the industrial and innovative things we're starting to do now we've left the EU, can Ady give examples? As far as I know not much has changed yet. The headline difference in wealth generation so far has been a 2% dip in the UK economy due to the border and loss of membership benefits. (Apart from Northern Ireland who are effectively still in the EU.) We might have got rid of the European Court of Human Rights but British exports still have to be CE marked! Although a bonfire of the regulations is promised in the next parliamentary session not much has actually happened yet – government still has a lot to do.

Dave

[Ian PParticipant @ianp]

Posted by Ady1 on 29/05/2022 09:26:45:

As wealth increases a society gains more silly government drones who enforce more and more silly government regulations which strangle human endeavour

500 tears ago it was silly clergy drones forbidding human endeavour

Al these "rules" people generate zero wealth for society

After we got shot of the clergy 500 years ago (100% redundancies) we got the British Empire and the Industrial revolution

Henry was a selfish twit but the law of unintended consequences meant he changed global history

edit

More recently we got rid of the EU drones and now we are starting to do the industrial and innovative things they wouldn't allow us to do

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose “ – the more things change, the more they stay the same

Edited By Ady1 on 29/05/2022 09:33:51

So what are the things we can do now we dont have the EU drones?

Yesterdays announcement about imperial measurements is really going to make a difference, not!

Ian P

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Circlip on 29/05/2022 09:06:06:

Before many throw their hands up in horror, until we became a nanny state, this was how Britain generated an Empire in our own slave shops as any who were apprentices sixty years ago will attest.

Regards Ian.

Edited By Circlip on 29/05/2022 09:07:22

I can only go back to my apprenticeship starting 1970 & safety was of paramount importance then, it's no fun going through life missing fingers or minus an eye!

Tony

[Ian PParticipant @ianp]

 

Cylinder Liners

This is another video which I found interesting, has scant regard to safety. Shows the manufacture of cylinder liners from raw material to the finished product.

 

IanP

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ZkOME1oTc

Edited By Ian P on 29/05/2022 12:02:25

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

Posted by Ian P on 29/05/2022 12:00:29:

Cylinder Liners

This is another video which I found interesting, has scant regard to safety. Shows the manufacture of cylinder liners from raw material to the finished product.

IanP

The centrifugal casting looks dangerous, but can anything that needs hitting that hard with a big hammer be all bad?

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Another brexit misconception, the European Court of Human Rights has nothing to do with the EU, and we are still part of that set up. I'll stop now as it will get political.

[Philip RoweParticipant @philiprowe13116]

Going back to the nut making video, can anyone shed any light on the tumbler process? It looked as if the operative added a bowl full of wood shavings to the tumbler, what good would that do apart from absorbing oil but later they are flooding with some kind of cutting fluid during the tapping process?

Maybe I'm just being dense!

Phil

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Posted by not done it yet on 29/05/2022 07:37:39:

Posted by Thor 🇳🇴 on 29/05/2022 07:29:52:

HSE not quite what I'm used too.

That is why indian and chinese offerings are a lot cheaper the made in Britain.🙂

Also why the quality is more variable, too?

[VicParticipant @vic]

I don’t know if you noticed but all the workers seemed to have matching tops and bottoms?!

[noel shelleyParticipant @noelshelley55608]

I had some M24 nuts where the thread axis was 20* out from the nut axis ! I bought a set of points for my Indian Bullet and the hole was in the wrong place, making them imposible to fit – useless, you could say making them was pointless !! Noel.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Harry Wilkes on 29/05/2022 16:17:11:

Posted by not done it yet on 29/05/2022 07:37:39:

Posted by Thor 🇳🇴 on 29/05/2022 07:29:52:

HSE not quite what I'm used too.

That is why indian and chinese offerings are a lot cheaper the made in Britain.🙂

Also why the quality is more variable, too?

I think you will find the Chinese factories are very different. Much more modern and efficient. They didn't get to be the worlds No 1 manufacturing power by grubbing around on dirt floors with 100-year-old methods and machinery. But both take full advantage of the low cost of local labour, lack of workplace health and safety laws, and environmental laws in disposal of plating chemicals etc etc.

By offshoring our manufacturing over to there, we have turned the industrial clock back 100 to 150 years to the good old days of low wages, no job security and no safety. The corporations are laughing all the way to the bank.

But that's how guys like us can afford to have a shed full of milling machines and lathes and every piece of conceivable kit to go with them at historically low prices. So who is really to blame?

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by duncan webster on 29/05/2022 14:32:26:

Another brexit misconception, the European Court of Human Rights has nothing to do with the EU, and we are still part of that set up. I'll stop now as it will get political.

He's right! I was thinking of the Court of Justice of the European Union, which is a different body entirely.

[robjon44Participant @robjon44]

Mick B1, not a criticism but spiral flute propels swarf upward through finished thread whereas spiral point propels it downward out of back of thread, preferable no?

Circlip, I was one of those of whom you speak & always regarded my apprenticeship as the price I paid to learn a skilled trade, ie skilled manual turner, setter, chargehand, automatic lathe setter, operator of CNC lathe the size of a Transit van & the rest of my adult life setting & operating every shape, size & sort of CNC machine, back in the day our mantra was " I'm not on the YTS ( Youth Training Scheme ) this is my expletive job "

call me old fashioned but I never wanted to wear a collar & tie for a living.

BobH

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by robjon44 on 30/05/2022 17:04:27:

Mick B1, not a criticism but spiral flute propels swarf upward through finished thread whereas spiral point propels it downward out of back of thread, preferable no?

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BobH

Maybe I didn't look long enough, but I saw they were getting a continuous and thought they wouldn't want it birdsnesting on the eject side.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by robjon44 on 30/05/2022 17:04:27:

Mick B1, not a criticism but spiral flute propels swarf upward through finished thread whereas spiral point propels it downward out of back of thread, preferable no?

…

BobH

Maybe I didn't look long enough, but I saw they were getting a continuous and thought they wouldn't want it birdsnesting on the eject side.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by robjon44 on 30/05/2022 17:04:27:

Mick B1, not a criticism but spiral flute propels swarf upward through finished thread whereas spiral point propels it downward out of back of thread, preferable no?

…

BobH

Maybe I didn't look long enough, but I saw they were getting a continuous chip and thought they wouldn't want it birdsnesting on the eject side.

Edited By Mick B1 on 30/05/2022 18:10:48

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