No Handwheels Required!

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

How long until we see one of these painted in Warco or Amadeal Colours?

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Hopefully not long!

Tony

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

Nice toy. But I’d need another lifetime to learn how to use the thing! Lol

It has exactly the same ways lubrication system as my Herbert surface grinder,  but mine is a Tecalemit original, not a knock off.

I love the look of it but I’ll stick with my Boxford with Swiss Multifix quick change tool post and Arrand tailstock tooling. It’s not as quick as this one will be, but the quality is better.

And I will be able to knock out one off, handle twirling jobs before the first few lines of code are written for this pretender.

Mick

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

One offs should not be a problem. It has jog functions and by the looks of it wizards/conversational so ideal for one off jobs. Just think that non standard thread could be cut before you have finished working out what change wheel combination comes close let alone changing the gear train and then returning it to normal “feed” setup. Or what about cutting a taper or radius corner on a part, just a couple of buttons to press so no need to learn G-code.

 

A lot will depend on the exact nature of a “one off”. All the stuff I do on the CNC mill is one off or maybe two of the same but I generally tend to use it when it is the best machine for the job. So the one off parts I do make with it would be ones that would be considerably harder or take a lot longer on the manual machines.

I know of others who have done away with their manual machines and use their CNC lathe and mill for all work be that just facing a bar or leveling the top of a block to making complex 3D parts.

[Plasma]

On Plasma Said:

I love the look of it but I’ll stick with my Boxford with Swiss Multifix quick change tool post and Arrand tailstock tooling. It’s not as quick as this one will be, but the quality is better.

Mick

 

Surely it’s the quality and accuracy of the part produced that should be the main consideration, not the machine it was made on.

If you already use Fusion360 or similar product most have a facility to output the machining program for parts drawn so not necessary to learn G code, as Jason says it has a manual jog on both axis function so can be used manually.

It’s a myth that G code is so difficult to learn, especially if you can use a 3D drawing program.

Emgee

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

As Emgee says, I’ve never written a single line of G-code even the tens of thousands of lines that many of the parts I make need.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Not seeing a price but if you have to ask……

Love the way the 4-way rotates.

[Chris CrewParticipant @chriscrew66644]

There’s a firm advertising on eBay with a similar sort of CNC lathe of Spanish origin under the Ajax brand. It started out with a ‘buy-it-now’ price of around £13k but this has since increased to over £17k. I was sorely tempted at the lower price because I am still smarting from selling my Boxford 240TCL under pressure from SWMBO to make room for the new freezer she wanted, but common sense prevailed!

[Tony Pratt 1]

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Hopefully not long!

Tony

In light of this recent post https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/topic/another-one-gone/page/2/#post-763741

My money would be on Amadeal

MichaelG.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I was thinking maybe Warco would be more likely as they supply a lot to the education market where something like this would find a place. At least the next generation will be better equipped to make use of the latest technology if they have had a basic grounding in it’t use.

Oh and for those who want something to do with their hands while watching it do the work there is an “electronic” handwheel that can be used to feed the chosen axis. Click “features and Details”  Myself I would just get on and do something else while the CNC does it’s thing.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Plasma,

You may be right about the Boxford quality being better, but I would imagine your machine is well loved but worn out now? My Warco lathe is absolutely not of the same quality as British iron, but it does cut parallel and with variable speed and electronic leadscrew what more can one ask?

I used CNC machines for 30 plus years and I believe I used G code on one job in all that time, software does all the hard work for you and it does not need a lifetime to use if the interest is there.

CNC machines being no good for a one off is a total fallacy, they all have manual input dials of some sort and most have conversational programming  and canned cycles for ease of use.

Tony

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

I’m very glad to have heard the views of folk who have actually used CNC machines.

I’m giving the biased view of one who has never used such a machine and hearing the opposite view is very informative.

I’m sure if I had the use for such a unit and the readies to afford one I’d definitely give it a go.

The point about educational machines and future generations taking up engineering is very pertinent. Modern manufacturing will use CNC equipment so they will need to be conversant.

A neice of mine recently completed her engineering degree with Rolls Royce, she now tests jet engines to destruction. Her hands on engineering had to be done on manual machine tools, making a multi piece plumb bob was one exercise.  As one member said, the precision of the finished part was the test, not the machine it was made on.

I’m just going through a diagnosis of prostate cancer and one treatment mentioned is a RALP… Robot Assisted Laporoscopic Prostatectomy. The DaVinci surgical robot. If offered it I definitely won’t be turning it down in favour of a surgeon twiddling hand wheels lol.

Mick

[derek hall 1Participant @derekhall1]

I just watched the video and noticed that the tailstock still has a twirly manual hand wheel, so if you want to use it to drill a hole the machine cover has to be open to access the tailstock, at which point the lathe stops…..

Not really my cup of tea this type of machine though, all that software that no doubt goes obsolete 10 mins after you bought the machine and is full of bugs and cheap electronics….what could possibly go wrong!

But I can see that this could well be the machine for the future model engineer, and if it gets younger blood into our “hobby” then great, but it looks rather pricy….

[noel shelleyParticipant @noelshelley55608]

Never mind about the CNC, good luck with the prostate issue Mick. I hope it’s been caught early and no knife of any sort will be needed. From a fellow victim. Noel.

[noel shelley]

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Never mind about the CNC, good luck with the prostate issue Mick. I hope it’s been caught early and no knife of any sort will be needed. From a fellow victim. Noel.

 

Amen to that!

Tony

 

[derek hall 1]

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I just watched the video and noticed that the tailstock still has a twirly manual hand wheel, so if you want to use it to drill a hole the machine cover has to be open to access the tailstock, at which point the lathe stops…..

Not really my cup of tea this type of machine though, all that software that no doubt goes obsolete 10 mins after you bought the machine and is full of bugs and cheap electronics….what could possibly go wrong!

But I can see that this could well be the machine for the future model engineer, and if it gets younger blood into our “hobby” then great, but it looks rather pricy….

Sorry to rain on your parade Derek but I am 100% sure the spindle will keep turning if you want it to when the cover is moved to access the tailstock as per the Haas TL1 CNC lathe. Also make the purchase involving a UK retailer and credit card and you have the UK consumer law behind you. But yes buyer beware in all cases, it’s only common sense.

Tony

Tony

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

If you follow my link you will see that hydraulic or pneumatic tailstocks can be had as extras if you don’t want to open th eside door. Though multiple tooling on the cross slide would also an option and can include drills much like the little Sherline “chucker lathes” use

When I bought my lathe back in about 2008 people were saying the electrics won’t last. Well apart from 1 set of brushes and a speed control pot both about £5 each it’s still going as is the mill bought in 2007. The Sieg CNC is also still going strong so on that basis I’m not too worried about bugs and cheap electrics.

[Tony Pratt 1]

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Never mind about the CNC, good luck with the prostate issue Mick. I hope it’s been caught early and no knife of any sort will be needed. From a fellow victim. Noel.

 

Amen to that!

Tony

 

Hi Noel.

I only mentioned it as me and the wife were looking at the davinci machine it having been mentioned on the prostate cancer uk site.

I’m at the very early stages as yet, waiting for biopsy results and the MDT to pronounce on whatever is down there.

I agree Jason,  there are always horror stories about Chinese electrics and stuff. But by and large a lot of what they produce is absolutely fine.

Mick

 

[Ian HewsonParticipant @ianhewson99641]

Going to be checked again after my psa went to over 14. Mri 3 years ago showed an indeterminate area, so they suggested wait and see.

So many stories on internet its hard to decide what to do, not much info at present from NHS, but as I am 80 they don’t seem too concerned, although it concerns me.

Good luck everyone.

Ian

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

Hi Ian,

It is a hard thing to deal with because it’s so variable. What is normal for one bloke is not normal for another.

All the information out there is a mixed blessing, sometimes it’s overload and just too much to take in, sometimes it feels there isn’t enough information about your own specific issues.

The Chris Hoy effect is seeing more Internet searches, but the urology team said it hadn’t filtered down to more testing for them as yet.

The prostate cancer uk site has a very good forum on it where people share their experiences and information,  both men and their wives and families so you get a wide perspective.  If you’ve not had a look I’d recommend it.

Might start a thread here , “how is your prostate today?”

[Plasma]

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Never mind about the CNC, good luck with the prostate issue Mick. I hope it’s been caught early and no knife of any sort will be needed. From a fellow victim. Noel.

 

Amen to that!

Tony

 

Hi Noel.

I only mentioned it as me and the wife were looking at the davinci machine it having been mentioned on the prostate cancer uk site.

I’m at the very early stages as yet, waiting for biopsy results and the MDT to pronounce on whatever is down there.

I had my prostate out about 5 years ago with the DaVinci machine. All went very well. My only regret was agreeing to take a look around the operating theatre before the op. I thought the machine would look something like an X-Box or PS2 with a few bits sticking out. Instead, I saw this monstrous thing hanging from the ceiling like some kind of nightmare mechanical spider! Terrifying. Fortunately, I was out for the count when they operated so didn’t get to see it in action.

Best of luck with your prostate Mick.

 

Graham

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