New IC engine deal

[Bill DawesParticipant @billdawes]

Read that Renault and Geely Auomotive have signed a deal to develop new IC engine technology. ICE dead? I have long suspected that the electric motor bubble will soon burst as yet more new technology finds ways of doing things.

Bill D.

[Bill DawesParticipant @billdawes]

[BazParticipant @baz89810]

Like Bill I thought internal combustion was finished, no new cars with I.C. to be sold after 2030? I suppose though that only applies to the UK and while we are all struggling with electric only the rest of the world will be using these new design engines. Only after the government have ripped all the diesel and petrol pumps up will they decide that perhaps I.C. has a future after all.

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

Presumably using so-called "bio-fuels"?

They problem they would face is whether the looming bans on selling new petrol and diesel-engine cars in Britain and other countries, will also stop alternative hydrocarbon fuels. If so the expected sales may be reduced too much for viability.

Though I accept the two companies will know things I don't, about such policies.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bill Dawes on 12/07/2023 12:19:53:

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I have long suspected that the electric motor bubble will soon burst as yet more new technology finds ways of doing things.

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[with apologies] This is not quite on your topic, Bill but I was interested to receive an eMail on Monday, from BMW::

After spouting about some new electric cars … they slipped this in at the end:

Pure M performance. Statement M style. The new BMW M2 is here – and available to test drive now. Admire its athletic proportions and distinctive M design accents, before experiencing the thrill of its 3.0-litre M TwinPower Turbo engine, delivering up to 460 hp and available with manual transmission. Ready to unlock your next passion?

Looks like they are backing all the options !

MichaelG.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Must confess I was surprised to see what appears to be proper inward investment

We shall see

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Bill Dawes on 12/07/2023 12:19:53:

Read that Renault and Geely Auomotive have signed a deal to develop new IC engine technology. ICE dead? I have long suspected that the electric motor bubble will soon burst as yet more new technology finds ways of doing things.

Bill D.

The new technology is hybrid, not pure IC!

I'm slightly concerned from the bursting bubble comment that some still haven't realised what's going on. The idea that a bunch of Greens have somehow managed to hijack world decision making, and they're wrong, may be popular, but it's not true! Greens have no power.

Governments and the smart money are pushing Green ideas because, whatever deniers may hope, burning fossil fuels is causing significant climate change. And, at the same time, fossil fuel reserves are running low and there are with no new big fields left to exploit. Inevitably, oil is going to get much more expensive, and it will do so over the next couple of decades.

We happen to have lived at a time when fossil energy was literally dirt cheap, but it's not "situation normal". At some point in the near future, my guess 25 years, ordinary folk won't be able to afford petrol. Though they've done a good job so far, it's obvious IC engines have a very limited future.

Not all bad news, green energy can provide affordable transport provided we get on with making the necessary changes, and it helps stop the planet overheating too. Potentially a win-win.

I judge it's already too late though. Our sluggish response to an avoidable problem means our grand-children are already committed to sky high energy prices, significant disruption of food supplies and massive population movements.

Dave

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I don't mind the transition from dirty to clean energy, makes sense as far as pollution is concerned

We are however going to have almost zero effect upon the final outcome

Russia China and the USA alone are producing historical levels of pollution

Each week China burns 100 million tons of coal, which is what Great Britain managed each year when we were polluting ourselves to death and running the world

So 1 year of China alone is 60 years of Industrial Britain at the height of our coal consumption

This is only coal, and only China.

In 5 years China burns more than was burned in the the entire industrial revolution

It's going to get a lot messier over the next few decades before it gets any cleaner

Edited By Ady1 on 12/07/2023 16:44:01

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Not sure where you get your figures from but if you look at the CO2 emissions graph for the world the bulk of emissions occurred after the 1950 to 1970 period. Pre 1900 emissions are almost negligible. So whilst I agree with you Ady1 that China (and India and USA) are major contributors to greenhouse gases using the Industrial Revolution as a yardstick probably doesn’t cut it.
Current figures for China against the rest of the world would possibly be a better comparison.

regards Martin

[Kiwi BlokeParticipant @kiwibloke62605]

Perhaps Geely, like Toyota, think the future is in hydrogen IC.

[TrickyParticipant @tricky]

It is interesting to look at this report from Volvo (owned by Geely) which shows the C02 over the lifespan of various versions of the Volvo XC40. The ICE version has a much lower carbon footprint for manufacturing and the crossover for the electric version is up to 150,000 Km depending on how the electricity used is generated. As my XC40 is 5 years old and I have only done les than 45,000 Km I think I must be saving the planet!

Link

https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/applications/pdpspecificationpage/my24/xc40-electric/pdp/volvo-cars-LCA-report-xc40.pdf

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