Neat cutting oil. (recommendation)

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Hopper on 10/01/2016 05:44:54:

Trike? What is that?

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A popular name for Trichloroethylene

MichaelG.

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More information here [including its 'non flammable' classification]

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 10/01/2016 08:56:08

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 10/01/2016 08:52:29:

Posted by Hopper on 10/01/2016 05:44:54:

Trike? What is that?

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A popular name for Trichloroethylene

MichaelG.

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More information here [including its 'non flammable' classification]

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 10/01/2016 08:56:08

Even though it's non flammable, it is still an unstable and dangerous liquid. If you don't know what you are doing, stay well away from it.

Ketan at ARC

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Ketan Swali on 10/01/2016 09:51:02:

Even though it's non flammable, it is still an unstable and dangerous liquid. If you don't know what you are doing, stay well away from it.

Ketan at ARC

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Quite so, Ketan

MichaelG.

[Johnboy25Participant @johnboy25]

Re. TRIKE, smoke a fag over it and find out!

My father unfortunately did a similar thing – what he thought it was a good idea at the time was to degrease some overalls in the trike degreasing tank and didnt air them long enough before hanging them up in his office. This was in the days when smoking was allowed anywhere in the building. Consequently he came down with a serious bout of toximia. To this day I don't know how he got away with permanent liver damage. 'Rest is socks….

PS hyrogliphics problem solved – stopped using Chrome browser now switch to Safari on iPad!

[JAParticipant @ja]

I believe that somewhere in the Midlands there was a Trike well. So much had been absorbed into the ground that the stuff was actually having to be pumped out.

I last saw the stuff being used about 15 years ago and it brought back memories of my apprenticeship. Truly awful stuff.

JA

Edited By JA on 10/01/2016 10:39:12

[Bob Unitt 1Participant @bobunitt1]

Posted by Johnboy25 on 10/01/2016 10:23:40:

Re. TRIKE, smoke a fag over it and find out!

I did exactly that, in my first ever job, in a factory in the 60's – passed clean out. Fortunately I fell backwards to the floor rather than forwards into the trike-tank… Not really surprising, as its original use was as a new wonder anaesthetic.

[Johnboy25Participant @johnboy25]

Bob… Wasn't that Ether or Chloroform as an anaesthetic? We use to use Choroform at school for glueing perplex together – very affective I seem to remember. What HSE and Coshh regs would make of that now G' only knows!

 

Edited By Johnboy25 on 10/01/2016 11:05:52

[Johnboy25Participant @johnboy25]

Bob… Just look up the chemical properties of trike on t'internet – total surprised that trike was used in earlier medical days!

Edited By Johnboy25 on 10/01/2016 11:14:50

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 10/01/2016 08:52:29

Trichloroethylene

More information here

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Useful reference, posted earlier

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Thought that Tric had been outlawed, YEARS ago, because of its dangers. Was an excellent degreaser, but dangerous!

Having said that, much the same can be applied to almost any of the Hydrocarbon/Halogen degreasing agents.

Most certainly do not smoke near them, or breathe in the vapour. Not good for the skin either; well they are degreasing agents!

Howard

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Trike is known to be addictive. They have tried all sorts of things as anaesthetics and it sometimes takes them a while to find out if they cause more serious problems than others.

Smoking around it has been a no no in some factories for a long long time. I think it's trike but not totally sure but once the fumes pass through a lit cigarette it can turn into something akin to mustard gas.

John

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[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

We used to have a trike filled vapour degreaser in one of our departments. Worked great on outside surfaces but not so good on the inside of things like pipes as the part heated up before any vapour condensed inside it. The spray lance did not give enough flow to clean inside larger pipes. One of the guys decided to clean off a bending machine using some trike as the machine was covered in very sticky drawing oil. After using it he stopped for a smoke and promptly collapsed. He seems to have recovered with no ill effects. I think the breakdown products from heating trike included phosgene gas.

The vapour degreasing process was replaced with a pumped floew, filtered, heated light oil tank (similar to paraffin/kerosene without the smell). The oil is only clean until it is first used and after that is contaminated with whatever oil is washed off parts (including the sticky drawing oil). The reason for change was the Montreal Protocol as trike helped with ozone depletion. It was also used as propellant in some aerosols and has been replaced in some cases with flammable butane which causes other health, safety and environmental problems.

To keep on topic, I use Rocol Multisol "soluble" oil.

 

Martin

Edited By Martin Connelly on 11/01/2016 09:38:54

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

Trichlorethyline is banned, also Freon and any another derivitive for cleaning. The makers say that they do not see a type of cleaner like that in the forseeable future.

There was another cleaner, Inhibited chlorethene 1.1.1 Which we used for deagreasing and we then re-distilled it clean in an all in one system. All gone now as an ozone depletor.

Now we use white spirit and a hot detergent wash and into the ultrasonic and a blow dry and slightly heated. A product called Micro in the agueous ultrasonic with a 2% solution mix. This Micro is used to clean items by the US Atomic agency and passes all their protocols.

As a by, the Freon was the only thing that would clean the screens in the reflex cameras without damaging them.

Clive

[Richard BrickwoodParticipant @richardbrickwood17062]

Regrettably Morrisons now only sell CoraB in 25 litre or 250L quantities. 25L is ~£160+VAT – which is a bit much for me in both quantity and price. Anybody got any suggestions for an alternative? Many thanks

 

 

Edited By Richard Brickwood on 17/02/2022 10:13:23

[Mike HurleyParticipant @mikehurley60381]

Back in the 70's I worked for a small company who restored office equipment – primarily electro mechanical invoicing machinery (pre-computer). These consisted of a vast amount of parts that were removed , cleaned and re-fitted if servicable. There were about 10 of use working in a large converted victorian house near Birmingham.

We used stuff called 'Ultraclean' (a trade name) by the gallon in spray cans, think it was basically Trike?

Virtually everyone smoked, ventilation was by someone opening the back door if everyone complained of stinging eyes! Gawd knows what damage we must have done to ourselves but H&S didn't seem to come into it in those days. For all their faults and excessive over-the-top nonsense, at least workers are better protected in most cases these days.

Mike

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

I seem to remember that Trichloroethane, which we used copious amounts of for degreasing in the Air Force, was found to be absorbed through the skin and could cause nerve damage. Remember working with it in a very confined space and ending up a bit high from it. Dave W

[John PParticipant @johnp77052]

Posted by Richard Brickwood 17/02/2022 10:12:47

Regrettably Morrisons now only sell CoraB in 25 litre or 250L quantities. 25L is ~£160+VAT – which is
a bit much for me in both quantity and price. Anybody got any suggestions for an
alternative? Many thanks.

There are some cheaper alternatives i use Exelcut 401 for most all machining works well
on aluminium brass and cast iron , Exelcut 433 is used for cylindrical grinding .
J&L MSC sell it , these here sell Exelcut 432 and seem to be a bit cheaper
than some others and free delivery ,there are plenty of others
that seem to sell this ,just Google around.

https://www.lubetechshop.co.uk/product/excelcut-432-quantity-25-litresheavy-duty-chlorinated-oil/

John

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Samsaranda on 17/02/2022 10:28:09:

I seem to remember that Trichloroethane, which we used copious amounts of for degreasing in the Air Force, was found to be absorbed through the skin and could cause nerve damage. Remember working with it in a very confined space and ending up a bit high from it. Dave W

'Trike' is Trichloroethylene rather than Trichloroethane, though I can imagine chaps told to clean degrease metal didn't know they were dealing with two different chemicals. Both are dangerous.

Though Trichloroethane was used as a degreaser, and isn't particularly poisonous, it damages the Ozone Layer indirectly causing skin cancer especially in sunny countries. Also widely used as a solvent in glues etc. In high-concentrations it's a euphoric narcotic and has bumped off many glue sniffers because high concentrations cause arrhythmia and cardiac arrest.

Trichloroethylene was very extensively used as a degreaser. It's one of those chemicals that seemed safe at first, but large-scale use revealed problems. In high concentrations it causes narcosis and anaesthesia. As an anaesthetics safer than Chloroform, but phased out because modern alternatives are less likely to harm the patient. In ordinary concentrations: workers have become addicted to it; headache; drowsiness; plus eventual liver damage and increased risk of cancer in later life. Severe exposure causes death due to heart failure.

Always worrying in 'Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials' is when a LD₅₀ (Human) figure is given. It means a large number of fatal accidents allowed the data to be collected. LD₅₀ (Human) for Trike is 857mg/kg body weight but 110 parts per million in air causes irritant effects after 8 hours. Interestingly people are more sensitive to 'Trike' than the rats, mice and dogs killed to determine LD₅₀ in lab experiments.

LD₅₀ is a measure of toxicity. It's the Lethal Dose that kills 50% of an exposed population. People aren't equally sensitive to poisons, which means anecdotal evidence about them is carp. Just because one thicko lived to tell the tale after a lifetime splashing in Trike doesn't mean everyone else is safe! For the truth to emerge from statistics at least a 1000 samples are needed.

Smoking whilst using Chlorinated Hydrocarbons is extra dangerous because some of the fumes are converted into Carbonyl Chloride, better known as the Chemical Weapon Phosgene. LD₅₀ (Human) is 3200mg per cubic metre of air.

Occasional small quantities of Trike used in a well-ventilated no-smoking workshop wouldn't worry me at all. Regular exposure to large quantities in a confined space is likely to cause health problems, some of which like cancer take years to develop. There's a possible link to Dementia. Pregnant ladies should always avoid it.

Dave

[Bob Unitt 1Participant @bobunitt1]

Way back when I worked in a factory (my first job after leaving school in the 60's) they had a huge tank of hot Trichloroethylene for dipping stuff in to be degreased, in wire baskets. The tank was tall enough to need a little stepladder. As the 'new guy' I used to have to take stuff to the 'trike tank' and dip it for my colleagues. I also smoked like a chimney back then. Needless to say I had a cigarette in my mouth while dipping one day, inhaled, and passed out – fortunately I fell back off the ladder rather than forward into the tank.

'Health and Safety' wasn't quite such a thing back then…

[bernard towersParticipant @bernardtowers37738]

Bought 25litres of Texaco Neatcut years ago (25) and am now down to the last 3 litres,it’s been very good but as you say what do you replace it with and in a reasonable quantity.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Warco do 2L & 4L of Neatcut.

Tony

[BazParticipant @baz89810]

+1 for Warco Neatcut, I purchased two of the 4 Litre at one of their open days, only problem / complaint is that it smokes a bit and has discoloured my autolock chuck on the mill leaving a brown rusty deposit, same on lathe chuck but to a much lesser degree.

[oldveloParticipant @oldvelo]

Trichoethylene, or Carbon Tetracloride are NOT to be used as solvents unless in a safe environment where you do not come into contact with the fumes or the liquid.

Years ago container of Trike with a thick film of Carbon Tetrachloride on the surface to keep the trike from evaporating or catching fire was used a lot for degreasing parts.

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