Myford ML7 Quick change tool post

[KaneParticipant @kane]

Hi guys,

I'm looking to buy a quick change tool post for a myford ML7. I have come across quite a few posts praising the rdg tools quick change tool post, but has anyone any experience of the one from warco:

http://www.warco.co.uk/quick-change-tool-posts/209-quick-change-tool-post—90-115mm-centre-height.html

It looks awfully similar, but is £10 cheaper.

I'm also planning to try grinding my own from tools from HSS stock. Would 8mm or 10mm be preferable for these tool holders?

Cheers,

Kane

[KaneParticipant @kane]

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

I asked rdg andd they said 10mm tools

[Chris TriceParticipant @christrice43267]

I have a Dickson one and the RDG copy and I’ve put the RDG one back in its box. All high tensile studs and machine screws are softer than they should be and their respective holes drilled and tapped slightly off square. Also the knurled height adjusting knob is very tight in its slot, the whole making them sit correctly a pain in the butt. I can’t use the holders on the Dickson post either as they are very slightly different and the cam won’t pull the holders in tight enough. I’ll probably eBay it.

Edited By Chris Trice on 25/03/2013 10:19:32

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I have noticed that some people use Allen type grub screws on their Dickson type tool holders, I have changed some of mine and this does tidy up the tool holder, I think it is worth using screws of a length so that the socket is supported by the toolholder and hopefully stop the socket breaking if over tightened.

Mike

Edited By Michael Poole on 24/01/2015 13:21:24

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Clive

Glad I have seen your post I have a Dickson QCTP and I purchased a tool holder for it from the myford stand at the Midland Model Exb and when I got it home it did not fit as you state a slight difference so I'm wondering now that RDG and Myfords are one the tool holders are sourced from the same supplier !

I spent quite a few hours grinding the tool holder to make it fit but was not happy with it for the same reasons as you .

H

Posted by Chris Trice on 25/03/2013 10:19:02:
I have a Dickson one and the RDG copy and I've put the RDG one back in its box. All high tensile studs and machine screws are softer than they should be and their respective holes drilled and tapped slightly off square. Also the knurled height adjusting knob is very tight in its slot, the whole making them sit correctly a pain in the butt. I can't use the holders on the Dickson post either as they are very slightly different and the cam won't pull the holders in tight enough. I'll probably eBay it.

Edited By Chris Trice on 25/03/2013 10:19:32

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

As anyone purchased from the company that made the Myford QCTP A&R Precision in Coventry believe ?

H

[Nigel BennettParticipant @nigelbennett69913]

Yes, I have, and I am perfectly happy with them; it seems that A&R were the original suppliers to Myford of Beeston anyway, so they ought to know what they're doing.

I've had some dodgy ones from other sources too, but I have managed to bodge them to fit by attacking them with carbide tools.

[alan-lloydParticipant @alan-lloyd]

Yes I agree with Nigel, I always now buy mine from A&R, and have ail ways been pleased with there quaility

[HasBeanParticipant @hasbean]

I have seven toolholders sitting on my bench from two different suppliers, none of which properly fit my (Bison) toolpost.

I didn't realise they didn't fit until I needed one but milling 1mm off the rear faces fixes the issue of the cam tightening up the holder.

I have had a couple I believe were from A&R, these fitted perfectly.

Paul

[Gordon AParticipant @gordona]

I understand that the original manufacturer of the QCTP for Myford was Weston Engineering, hence the early versions were stamped with a W which some people thought was an upside down M for Myford. It appears that in later years A&R had this contract.

I bought a toolpost and holders directly from A&R some time ago and I am very pleased with my purchase, the original Myford and A&R holders fit perfectly.

Gordon.

[Steamer1915Participant @steamer1915]

Plus one for the A&R holders.

Best regards,

Steve.

[RobboParticipant @robbo]

Can also recommend the A&R toolholders.

Phil

[“Bill Hancox”Participant @billhancox]

A&R?? Are they still in business? If so, could some kind soul provide a link?

Thanks

Bill

[Jon GibbsParticipant @jongibbs59756]

Hi Bill,

They sell through ebay and their service is excellent.

**LINK**

HTH

Jon

[Andrew Moyes 1Participant @andrewmoyes1]

I agree with the others regarding A&R Precision. Forget the foreign-made toolposts – there are too many tales of interchangeability problems and faulty parts. Go for the genuine British A&R product which is beautifully made and no more expensive. They are made in small batches and sold on eBay. They were stopped by RDG from using the Myford name anywhere in their adverts, even though they were the supplier to Myford before the Beeston factory closed.

As Jon says, they are still in business and in fact were selling the rear version of the toolpost up at a week or so ago.

**LINK**

They don't seem to have a website but their phone number is 024 765 10020. I have no connection other than being a very satisfied user.

Andrew M

[Nick_GParticipant @nick_g]

Posted by Chris Trice on 25/03/2013 10:19:02:

……………………………… and the RDG copy and I've put the RDG one back in its box. All high tensile studs and machine screws are softer than they should be and their respective holes drilled and tapped slightly off square. Also the knurled height adjusting knob is very tight in its slot, the whole making them sit correctly a pain in the butt. ………………………………………………………………. and the cam won't pull the holders in tight enough. I'll probably eBay it.

Edited By Chris Trice on 25/03/2013 10:19:32

I have found the same.

There is also movement between the main body and the holders.

I will use the expression "Buy cheap, buy twice." Which is what I will end up doing, so these have worked out quite expensive.

When I have saved coinage I will be replacing the system and ebay it.

Nick

[john fletcher 1Participant @johnfletcher1]

We at the evening glass made are own tool holders and I'm sure they could be made at home in the workshop.. Not so difficult, to get the angles correct we milled out the "slot" where the lathe tool will eventually will be held, then drilled and tapped the 4 holes 2 BA. I bought from the auto jumble sale half of a broken VEE block which after a bit of machining became the clamping jig. The milled out slot was clamped to the jig by the 4 screws, now all angle were correct for milling the rest of the tool holders. Once that part was completed the centre part was milled away and with great care a tee slot cutter was used. Initially we had a couple of failure but soon got into production. We used free cutting mild steel, I'm sure bought one will be hardened and ground finish but these home produced ones have stood the test of time Ok. Ted

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Hi does anyone have any comment to make about the Chronos one's ?

H

Posted by Chris Trice on 25/03/2013 10:19:02:
I have a Dickson one and the RDG copy and I've put the RDG one back in its box. All high tensile studs and machine screws are softer than they should be and their respective holes drilled and tapped slightly off square. Also the knurled height adjusting knob is very tight in its slot, the whole making them sit correctly a pain in the butt. I can't use the holders on the Dickson post either as they are very slightly different and the cam won't pull the holders in tight enough. I'll probably eBay it.

Edited By Chris Trice on 25/03/2013 10:19:32

[RobboParticipant @robbo]

Harry,

I have some Chronos toolholders which are a fit on my genuine Boxford QCTP, and they are fine.

However these were bought as an end of stock clearance, (on the basis that if they didn't work I hadn't wasted too much cash) so their latest offerings may not be the same quality.

For Myford I would use A&R Precision.   A good fit on my Toolmex tool post.

Phil

Edited By Robbo on 25/01/2015 10:28:06

[Jon GibbsParticipant @jongibbs59756]

I see that they have no QCTP's or holders for sale at the moment which is a bit of a pity.

If it helps this was the situation when I was searching for mine. I sent A&R an ebay message and asked if they would contact me when they next had some available. Sure enough I received an email notification within a few weeks and was able to buy a set, along with extra holders.

Good luck

Jon

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

"I'll probably eBay it. / I will be replacing the system and ebay it. "

Given that the likely bidders/buyers will be fellow MEs, I trust that they will be listed on the 'bay as the rubbish quality they seem to be!!

Rgds

Bill

[Mike BondarczukParticipant @mikebondarczuk27171]

I can thoroughly recommend A & R and just very purchased another set of four holders which go with the few I already had.

I elected to go for 10mm cutters and found insufficient clearance to enable to get low enough for a centre cut so milled 1mm off the face of the top slide base and now all is perfectly OK.

Regards,

Mike

[Chris TriceParticipant @christrice43267]

I've had more than a dozen additional holders from A&R. The quality and service has been first class. Other than not having the big "W" engraved on the back of the holders, they're indistinguishable from original Dickson holders.

[SteamgeekParticipant @steamgeek]

The quality from A&R is superb, have been in his workshop and his set up is first rate.

I use his tool post and holders, far better than Myford supply, if in doubt try a file on the two and see which has the better hardness

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