Muncaster’s Simple Entablature Engine

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

Not building this engine Jason but I always learn and pick up ideas and "how to do" from your build threads, would never have thought of using a boring head to offset the centre.

Great stuff.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Cont'd

Once the adhesive has set on the assembled columns they can be held in the chuck or a collet by the bottom spigot and using tailstock support the top square can be turned to it's finished thickness of 1.5mm.

Then reverse in the lathe so that the columns can be brought down to a final length of 119.5mm ensuring that all are the same length. After which the ends can be threaded.

You now have enough bit put together and get an idea of how the engine will look, cylinder still to be covered.

A shot of the feet being cut on the bearing pedestals which also brings the top block to length.

Edited By JasonB on 09/08/2019 08:03:13

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

Jason, I have not turned any long tapers so was interested in the method you used on the columns, especially using the boring head for the offset. Unless I,m missing something the method must rely on flex in the spigot which is held in the collet..? I see the tapers are shallow at 2mm over the column length but there must obviously be a limit to how much offset can be applied relative to the spigot diameter..?

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Yes Ron, The actual article says that there is enough flex to use this method. If the part was more rigid it would deed to be done between ctrs.

The limit is probably dependent of the rigidity of your machine and how far you are willing to bend the column.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Hi Jason, you mention using small metric sizes with fine threads, could you list the ones I would need along with taps and dies as mine start at M3 or would I be able to use BA sizes as I have 2 to 8 ba in stock.

Regards

Roger (newbie)

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

These are the metric sizes I show on the drawing.

Metric Coarse which is the usual metric thread in M5, M4, M3, M2.5, M2 and M1.6 you would only need taps for M3, M2 and M1.6 if using studding, Dies also needed for the other sizes.

Metric Fine in M6x0.75, M5x0.5 and M4x0.5 taps and dies for all.

Alternatives

Coarse

M5 is only used for the piston rod to cross head joint. You could turn down the end of the rod to 4.7mm and thread 2BA or just use 3/16" rod which takes 2BA and adjust the holes it goes through in the cylinder cover and gland. In either cast just drill and tap the cross head for 2BA and you will also need a 2BA locknut which can be made or bought, if bought I tend to just thin down standard nuts.

M4 This is used on the other end of the piston rod, crank pin and the column bottoms. All could be turned to 4.1mm and threaded 3BA

M3 Just used for fixings so could easily be replaced with 5BA

M2.5 This can be a straight swap with 7BA

M2 Only used for the gland studs and nuts so 9BA will do for that

M1.6 This is used to tap for the cladding band screws and would not matter if you went upto 9BA, heads could always be reduced in size.

Fine

M6x0.75 This is for the exhaust, if a thick say 1mm wall tube is used then you should be able to get away with M6 coarse or 0BA. Another option is to up the pipe size from 6mm OD to 1/4" and then use one of the ME series such as 1/4" x 40 or 1/4" x 32.

M5x0.5 This is for the inlet so similar applies, thick wall and M5 coarse or come down to 3/16" pipe and use 2BA for thick wall or 3/16" x 40 for a thinner wall pipe.

M4 x 0.5 Only used for the tops of the columns so you can get a few more turns of thread into the Acorn nuts and the bearing oilers and their sockets but could just use M4 coarse or adjust size to 4.1mm and use 3BA. It could be replaced with 5/32" x 40ME

J

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Thanks Jason, much appreciated.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Extra content to go with part 3

No so much to add this time round

This photo shows how most of the waste was removed by working up through a series of ever increasing drills to 22mm before the final boring to 24mm.

This shot shows the port face of the cylinder being machined flat, I find that multiple passes with a small stepover using a sharp cutter gives a flatter finish than a couple of passes with a wide cutter particularly if there is any question about the tram of the machine. Here I used a 10mm cutter stepping over 2.5mm per pass.

The drawing for the cylinder having been reduced down to approx A5 for the mag may be a bit hard to read as it has quite a lot going on. You can download the A4 pdf from here which will print it out actual size and it will also blow up clearer on the screen than zooming into the mag image.

Any questions just ask.

[geoff walker 1Participant @geoffwalker1]

Hi All,

I've started making this engine, slow progress but always is with me.

When I have the frame assembled I'll post some pics.

Finally managed to get a copy of M.E. 4619, in Halifax of all places. WHS had a few copies, also MEW and EIM.

I was curious Jason as to how you got such a neat radius on the top of the bearing cap. So simple really as shown in photo 15.

Any of you chaps from Halifax, my first visit, a fine town, graceful old market, classic victorian town hall and of course the increasingly famous Piece hall. A beer festival in the latter this weekend, should be fun as long as all behave themselves.

Geoff

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Thank's Geoff, you will see the same method being used on the cylinder.

[Mike Henderson 1Participant @mikehenderson1]

Hi, Jason. A quick query, if I may. I'm gathering the materials to make a start on this once the holidays are over. I notice that you call up the base as either steel or aluminium but for the entablature you specify steel. Is there a particular reason this can't be in aluminium as well?

Thank, and thank you for preparing this design. I don't get as much hobby time as I'd wish and prefer projects that l can complete in a sensible timescale.

MIke

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Aluminium should be fine as well for the entablature. Don't think it would even hurt to do the columns in this if you have a light lathe, just a bit more expensive.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Hi Jason, couple of questions: I'm planning to make the cylinder out of alum alloy, could I take the bore out to 1"? My chunk has a hole already!

I have plenty of gunmetal in stock but no suitable sizes of bronze, can I use this instead?

Could pdf's of the plans to the correct scales be made available as they are printed in the mag, same as you have done with the cylinder?

Thanks

roger

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I don't see any reason not to up the bore to 1", probably best to make the OD of the cylinder a bit larger say 29-30mm and to keep the shaping simple the valve chest and cover would need widening to match. Oil it up well after use to lessen any chance of corrosion.

Assuming the Gunmetal is for bearings then yest that will be OK too, I would also use this or brass for the piston rather than risk the specified aluminium one picking up should it run on the now aluminium cylinder.

J

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Posted by JasonB on 31/08/2019 07:20:51:

I don't see any reason not to up the bore to 1", probably best to make the OD of the cylinder a bit larger say 29-30mm and to keep the shaping simple the valve chest and cover would need widening to match. Oil it up well after use to lessen any chance of corrosion.

Assuming the Gunmetal is for bearings then yest that will be OK too, I would also use this or brass for the piston rather than risk the specified aluminium one picking up should it run on the now aluminium cylinder.

J

Thanks Jason, I've just found some 50mm dia ci so might use that instead. The bronze I have is LG2, is that suitable for bearing?

Roger

Edited By Rockingdodge on 31/08/2019 11:38:49

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

That will do nicely and machines easily too.

[geoff walker 1Participant @geoffwalker1]

Hi Jason and All,

I've had my eye on this engine for for quite some time so when I heard you had a series of articles in M.E. magazine I was naturally interested to see what building and machining methods you would use.

As far as the size was concerned I always favoured making the engine close to the original dimensions in Muncasters book. As you will know this was a 3/4" stroke and bore engine and is around 3/4 of the size of your 24mm bore design. I just prefer the smaller scale, something you can place on the palm of your hand.

The photo below is of the completed framework. I will be making the top end parts next, bearing pedestals, bearings crankshaft, crank etc., all to your building design but more or less 3/4 of all the sizes. I shall retain the original throw 9.5mm and probably the original bore 19mm (3/4&quot.

I have to say I was very sceptical of your "flexed" taper turning method, did you get that from a textbook? Not a problem, works fine but I left the spigot off the top and drilled and tapped for a 4 BA screw.

The base is laminated from M.S. as you suggested the parts being rivetted together with 1/8" csk. head rivets, just like we used in school metalwork lessons all those years ago.

Photo in the next post, not uploaded yet.

Geoff

[geoff walker 1Participant @geoffwalker1]

My muncaster frame 3/4 size

geoff

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Looking good Geoff, should not be too hard to scale my sizes back down as 1mm will equal 1/32" an dI tried to keep to whole units in most cases.

You will have to plug the hole under the cylinder as I did not include a cylinder bottom, alternative would be to add a thin cover and reduce the conrod and guide bar length to suit.

[geoff walker 1Participant @geoffwalker1]

Hi Jason,

Just reading the latest M.E.

I notice that you have again used the boring head in a very creative manner. This time to shape the exterior of the stuffing box bosses on the valve chest. clever stuff, I really must get a boring head for my sx2, looks to be a really useful piece of kit.

I wiil be interested to see how you made the cross head guides and then aligned them accurately. I have a idea how to do it but will wait and see how you have it done before I order some stock.

Enjoying the articles J, thank you

Geoff

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Got to know you ar eenjoying the build and learning a few new methods along the way.

Hopefully the text will explain my methods with the guides and highlight where the critical items are, if not just ask away.

I did not post any extra photos to go with the last part as most were used in the mag but this one shows the finished chest and cover in place (temporary screws)

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Additional content to go with part 5

Initial turning and threading of the cross head before transferring to the mill

Another shot of the crosshead being reamed for the pin

Asembled crosshead, conrod and big end bearings

[robert egglestonParticipant @roberteggleston16335]

There are very nice Cast Iron spiral spoked flywheels available on this side of the pond from Martin Model and Pattern in the appropriate size.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Assuming this side of the pond meaning the US of A!

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Thank's Robert I had seen those before as they are also sold by Little Machine Shop as well as M&M Though the rim is a bit heavier.

Out of interest I did also run the CAM and generate the code to cut the spokes into a pre turned blank and it looks good on the screen.

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