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[Jon GibbsParticipant @jongibbs59756]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 05/08/2016 15:23:42:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/08/2016 14:37:51:

It's because Apple decided not to follow convention in terms of how newline and carriage return characters are handled.

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It's because Apple decided not to follow Microsoft's convention in terms of how newline and carriage return characters are handled.

It goes back long before the Mac/Windows battle….

**LINK**

Jon

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Jon Gibbs on 05/08/2016 15:36:36:

It goes back long before the Mac/Windows battle….

**LINK**

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Yes, I know, Jon

My point was really that; given those existing circumstances, 'convention' should be that software plays nicely with either interpretation.

Incidentally; the reason that I admitted to not understanding it is that the behaviour on this forum doesn't even follow the obvious CR vs CR+LF scenario; since all that would do for Apple users is add an extra line.

… It's the cursor jump back to the top that's 'interesting'. [Note: this only happens with recent OS and iOS versions] … If you can explain that one, I would be grateful.

MichaelG.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 05/08/2016 15:23:42:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/08/2016 14:37:51:

It's because Apple decided not to follow convention in terms of how newline and carriage return characters are handled.

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It's because Apple decided not to follow Microsoft's convention in terms of how newline and carriage return characters are handled.

OK, to be pedantic there is NO 'one true way', but the original intent was to combine a carriage return and a line feed (the Microsoft way) not to use a single control code to combine both movements (Mac).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline

Neil

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/08/2016 20:00:33:

OK, to be pedantic there is NO 'one true way', but …

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I happily accept that, Neil

But; as per my response to Jon … All of this is incidental to the current [and comparatively recent] problem that Apple users are experiencing on this forum.

My old iPad simply added a line-feed to every carriage-return, resulting in double spacing between paragraphs.

With the new one, the cursor also flies up to the beginning of the post every time I hit 'Return'.

… This behaviour is not explained in any of the links provided so far.

MichaelG.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I am no expert, but it seems it might be that Macs are very keen that 'enter' submits a form but the webform doesn't want to submit until you click 'add posting' so it intercepts the submit command but drops the cursor back in at positions one. I could be very wrong though.

Neil

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Jon Gibbs on 05/08/2016 15:36:36:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 05/08/2016 15:23:42:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/08/2016 14:37:51:

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It goes back long before the Mac/Windows battle….

**LINK**

Jon

Sure does. Pedant mode: I used to own a Creed 7B teleprinter, a marvel of precision mechanical engineering that disappeared during a house move.

The 7B used Baudot code which considerably pre-dates computers. The Carriage Return-Linefeed sequence is necessary to give the teleprinter time to physically move the carriage without losing any text. I'm pretty sure that teleprinter design was inspired by even earlier typewriters and their manual carriage return linefeed lever.

Making a working model teleprinter or a mechanical cypher machine like an Enigma would be a serious challenge. Anyone tried it?

Dave

[Dave DanielsParticipant @davedaniels93256]

Creed 7B ? Brings back memories to a ex-RAF Telegraph Fitter. And all the rest .. 7BRP, 85R, 7PN3 (?) etc. etc.

Some stuff here about replica Enigmas and other stuff if you're interested. Click the pic.

**LINK**

I knew the code as Murray Code, maybe it's the same thing? IIRC the sequence was often CR-LF-L/S-L/S to give the delay for the C.Ret.

http://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/baudot.htm

 

Here's one of the other things I worked on:

http://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/uk/5uco/index.htm

It does intrigue me how you managed to lose a 7B .. not exactly 'loseable' IMHO.

D.

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:33:24

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:41:21

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:44:33

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Diane,

Sorry, I've only just read your post

The behaviour on the [iOS 9.3.3] iPad is strange …, and apparently unpredictable.

I started trying to write up what happens, but gave up … Confused.

MichaelG.

[JohnFParticipant @johnf59703]

Hi Everyone, most interesting posts and yes I am using Apple.
Also shift return works so thanks, it was really annoying having to mess around every time I wanted to type a post.
John

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:31:58:

Creed 7B ? Brings back memories to a ex-RAF Telegraph Fitter. And all the rest .. 7BRP, 85R, 7PN3 (?) etc. etc.

Some stuff here about replica Enigmas and other stuff if you're interested. Click the pic.

**LINK**

I knew the code as Murray Code, maybe it's the same thing? IIRC the sequence was often CR-LF-L/S-L/S to give the delay for the C.Ret.

**LINK**

Here's one of the other things I worked on:

**LINK**

It does intrigue me how you managed to lose a 7B .. not exactly 'loseable' IMHO.

D.

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:33:24

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:41:21

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:44:33

Thanks for the links Dave and yes you're quite right about CR-LF-L/S-L/S. (letter shift for the uninitiated). You're also right about it using Murray Code, which is an updated version of Baudot. I can claim to have been half right!

As a teenager I used to run the teleprinter in my bedroom without a silence cover. My parents must have been extremely tolerant. It was VERY noisy!

I'm not sure how it got lost either, it was a big heavy beast. For various reasons the move got pretty chaotic. What with kids and other family duties I didn't miss it for a few years so there was no chance of getting it back.

I still have the tool roll that came with the printer. It's got lots of useful things in it.

Ta,

Dave

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Think it's about time one of the Moderators moved the last few posts to a separate Topic, surely the Moderators are not responsible for the OS used for the Forum.

Emgee

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

I cured Brian Wood's problem with the return, I changed to Chrome. Of all the sites I use, this is the only one that has the problem, no problem

[VicParticipant @vic]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 05/08/2016 21:38:

The behaviour on the [iOS 9.3.3] iPad is strange …, and apparently unpredictable.

MichaelG.

I'm running 9.3.3 on my iPad and it's not any operating any different to any of the previous versions of IOS.

It's just this website.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Vic on 06/08/2016 12:43:12:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 05/08/2016 21:38:

The behaviour on the [iOS 9.3.3] iPad is strange …, and apparently unpredictable.

MichaelG.

I'm running 9.3.3 on my iPad and it's not any operating any different to any of the previous versions of IOS.

It's just this website.

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Vic,

My previous iPad was one of the originals, and 'frozen' at iOS 5.1.1

For whatever reason, that one did not [and still does not] exhibit the 'jump back to the beginning' feature.

MichaelG.

[VicParticipant @vic]

I only started with an iPad 3 with IOS 6 and it was that way then as far as I can remember.

Apple appear to make every effort to be compatible with web standards but many websites simply don't comply.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Someone has 'reported' a post asking 'how do I contact a moderator'?

The answer moderators have 'moderator' under their profile picture. Click the message member icon at the bottom of a moderator's posting to send them a p[personal message.

If the question is about viewing classifieds, see above – you will ahve to make a number of forum postings to see the contact details.

Neil

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Michael

My iPad runs the latest (?) iOS 10.0.2 and all is fine with that.

Norman

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by NJH on 23/10/2016 16:50:27:

Michael

My iPad runs the latest (?) iOS 10.0.2 and all is fine with that.

Norman

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Norman,

… Do you mean that pressing 'return' actually just starts a new line

On mine, the cursor jumps to the top of reply window.

i.e. In this message it goes to immediately before:

Posted by NJH on 23/10/2016 16:50:27:

MichaelG.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Earlier, someone asked about a model of an Enigma machine.

Last year, at the annual 1940s Week End (Held, over the first week end of October, in the Cambridgeshire (UK) village of Holme), there was a "German" enactor who had made a replica Enigma. To my untutored eyes, it looked pretty good, with letters lighting up as keys were pressed. It certainly looked very like the real machine seen at a lecture on cyphers and coding machines.

Howard

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

How can you have an annual 1940's weekend ? Surely next year it will be 1941 and the year after 1942 ?

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Howard Lewis on 23/10/2016 17:30:55:

Earlier, someone asked about a model of an Enigma machine.

Last year, at the annual 1940s Week End (Held, over the first week end of October, in the Cambridgeshire (UK) village of Holme), there was a "German" enactor who had made a replica Enigma. To my untutored eyes, it looked pretty good, with letters lighting up as keys were pressed. It certainly looked very like the real machine seen at a lecture on cyphers and coding machines.

Howard

Thanks Howard, it was probably me! A bit of web research since my original post revealed that good replicas sell for serious money because originals are very rare.

A replica British Type X machine might be even more valuable. Apart from a few examples retained by GCHQ these cypher machines were all comprehensively smashed to bits immediately on being taken out of service. Unless someone knows different that is?

Dave

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 23/10/2016 16:08:18:

Someone has 'reported' a post asking 'how do I contact a moderator'?

The answer moderators have 'moderator' under their profile picture. Click the message member icon at the bottom of a moderator's posting to send them a p[personal message.

If the question is about viewing classifieds, see above – you will ahve to make a number of forum postings to see the contact details.

Neil

Neil, any idea when the Moderator bit is going to be removed from the message that comes up? Keep getting PMs from people wanting me to contact buyers for them. Surely there must be more than one person at MTM who can do it?

[Nick_GParticipant @nick_g]

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The moderators create 'lists' of none site conformists to be used at a later date.!

Nick

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

And you are at the top of the list, by actually making things you do not conform to the usual ME member criteria

[Nick_GParticipant @nick_g]

Posted by JasonB on 23/10/2016 18:16:15:

And you are at the top of the list, by actually making things you do not conform to the usual ME member criteria

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I know, the shame of it. I produce 'swarf porn'

I should really take photos of just swarf. Somebody, somewhere would get off on it.! …………. Probably in Japan.!

Nick

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