Mag scales and steel screws?

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

In the (slow) process of installing mag dro scales on a D-W mill. I'm using aluminium angle for mounting and have modified some m6 screws to hold the scales to the angle pieces. The screws are in counterbored 'pockets' in the scale strip holders and, thus, the mag tape passes directly across the screw heads. Is this likely to affect the scale readability and should I source some brass or other non-magnetic screws?

rgds

Bill

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

[Jim NicParticipant @jimnic]

I've not found a problem using my Machine DRO magnetic scales which are attached with steel fasteners. They are, after all, fixed to a rather large iron milling machine.

Jim

[Ex contributorParticipant @mgnbuk]

Possibly there will be local deviations around the screws.

I replaced the capacitive readouts on a tool pre-setter ( a bit like this one for layout ) with magnetic scales & a budget two axis readout from M-Dro. The Swiss manufacturer of the pre-setter wanted over £3k + Vat for two replacement capacitive read heads, so approx £400 (at the time) for the M-Dro kit was a much cheaper alternative.

After fitting, I checked the positioning accuracy with slip blocks & found that neither axis was accurate & that the two axes were different in their inaccuracy. The horizontal arm was solid stainless steel & the vertical column was an aluminium extrusion with inset stainless rods for bearing surfaces – the magnetic tapes were directly applied to two different backing materials. This inaccuracy was not a problem, as the readout had parameters for linear error compensation. It didn't take long to calculate the correction values and, after a couple of refining modifications to the values, both readouts were showing accurate results against the calibrated slip block set.

The issue with local deviations due to mounting screws (if they did happen) would be that you would want a non-linear compensation, not linear – what is frequently called "pitch error compensation" on CNC machines, where the deviations are entered at a number of points along the axis using the scale reference point as a datum. While some "high end" DROs probably have this feature, it is unlikely that the budget end units would, so even if you were able to determine that such local deviations did exist, your readout unit would not allow you to compensate for them. At my last employment I had a Renishaw ML10 laser inteferometer to check and set non-linear compensation tables on CNC machines – at over £40K for the kit around 20 years ago not something readily available for the average home workshop user !

In reality I doubt that you would notice such errors if they did exist. I would suggest that you check the basic accuracy of the installation using some form of calibrated artifact(s) – say 1-2-3 blocks or slips – and, if your readout has the facility, spend a bit of time setting the linear compensations as best as you can. Then just enjoy the better overall accuracy & repeatabilty that even a slightly flawed system will give you over using the handwheel graduated dials.

Nigel B.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

I bought and fitted an M-DRO nag scale kit which came with steel screws to fit the extrusions that the mag strip sits in. I.m not sure if they are non-magnetic stainless but I'll check and come back here is they are.

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

Hello Bill – I fitted my scales by following the instructions. The readout was very unreliable as the co-ordinates on the XY readout would jump about from one reading to another.

Eventually I came to the conclusion that stray electrical "noise" was the cause. The cure was simple and has been very effective with no problems since.

Fitting plastic / nylon blocks at each end of the scales isolated them from the main body of the mill – Bob's 'yer uncle !

Rik

Edited By Rik Shaw on 13/06/2020 15:09:24

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

Many thanks, gentlemen.

Jim Nic – of course, you're right but it's the proximity of the screw heads to the tape ( thous " ) which I saw as a possible problem.

Nigel – Thank you, I've got some slips which should be more than accurate enough to calibrate for my tolerances!

John – the scales are M – DRO supplied and none of their supplied fastenings (or supports etc.) are any use at all.

Rik – the end fitting idea sounds good – there are none supplied with the scales, which seems odd, but the package as a whole seems unimpressive – especially the 'instructions'!!!

rgds

Bill

[Mike CrossfieldParticipant @mikecrossfield92481]

Bill,

I used 2ba steel countersunk screws to attach the extruded aluminium mDRO scale holders to my D-W. These screws are directly beneath the self adhesive scale strips. I went through a careful calibration process, and I saw no problems due to the screws. There were small linear errors on both axes, but these could be adjusted out in the system software. As you have found, the large clunky brackets supplied with the kit are useless for use with the D-W, which was why I made my own. As well as using slotted holes in the brackets I used jacking grub screws so that I could finely adjust the read head positions in 3 dimensions. The read heads and the scales are electrically in direct contact with the mill, which is well earthed, and I have had no problems with erratic readings.

Mike

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