Lollipop maybe?

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

Afternoon All,

Just bought a R&C No.369 Vernier Height Gauge. Anyone know what would have gone in the lollipop shaped hole? I though it may be for a lever type dial gauge, but would need some form of clamp, which there doesn't appear to be a home for, so maybe not.

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Possibly a screwdriver for the gibs?

[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

DTI. You need an arm with a pin plus a swivel clamp , Mitutoyo sell them, probably others as well..

Martin C

See page 5 of this Mitutoyo catalogue Mitutoyo DTIs

Edited By Martin Connelly on 18/06/2020 15:55:32

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

As I said, being as there's no location for a suitable clamp, I'm not convinced the recess is for a dial indicator.

According to the seller, it's the original box, but I can't find anything similar on the web.

The seller just stated that one part was missing. I had considered asking him, but as he's an antiques dealer, I doubt whether he'd know. No disrespect for antiques dealers of course.

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

The gibs are adjusted by the 2 thumbscrews on the side.

I have an original sales leaflet so I'll have a look.

Brian

Edited By Brian H on 18/06/2020 16:18:02

Had a look but the inside of my box is different

Edited By Brian H on 18/06/2020 17:54:23

[Robert ButlerParticipant @robertbutler92161]

Test Slip? Robert Butler

[Merddyn’s DadParticipant @merddynsdad]

Magnifying glass and mounting bracket.

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

Mmm…. that sounds more plausible. Possibly utilising the probe mount.

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

Oops… Maybe not utilising the probe mount. Nothing else will fit in the clamp.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Robert Butler on 18/06/2020 16:18:33:

Test Slip? Robert Butler

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+1

… Although the lollipop recess doesn’t look very deep

Compare: **LINK**

https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=47967

MichaelG.

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Edit: So perhaps a plunger [not lever type] DTI …

which would mount on the black arm which is in the adjacent recess

For inspiration :

https://namikon2001.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Baty_Catalogue.compressed.pdf

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 18/06/2020 17:24:26

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

Hi Michael,

Yes, I'd considered that, but as you say, the recess isn't deep enough (at least not for a 1.5" gauge block). And the long slot?

It doesn't appear that a gauge block would have been part of the package anyway, as there's nowhere for it to go.

I think it would need a skinny gauge stem to fit in the probe clamp.  It only looks to be about 1/8" dia. or so.

Hey Ho, I'm sure we'll get there in the end.

 

Edited By Bo’sun on 18/06/2020 17:19:59

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bo'sun on 18/06/2020 17:16:39:

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I think it would need a skinny gauge stem to fit in the probe clamp. It only looks to be about 1/8" dia. or so.

Hey Ho, I'm sure we'll get there in the end.

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I wonder of that’s non-original … nothing else appears to black finished.

Perhaps someone was using a Verdict lever DTI with it [?]

MichaelG.

[DalboyParticipant @dalboy]

Can I ask what is the piece lower right in the compartments do you have a photo of that.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Found this.

Steve.

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

Firstly lets make it clear I don't know – but ………

Whatever fits in that hole may not be shaped like a lollypop as it could be something light and the round part could be clearance to fit a finger and thumb in, either side, to pinch it and get it out of the box.

Also there are several illustrated on the web, but all of the boxes are varnished and the 'bits' fit in a narrow recess next to the top of the column so is it original?

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 18/06/2020 18:15:03

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

Posted by Derek Lane on 18/06/2020 17:33:54:

Can I ask what is the piece lower right in the compartments do you have a photo of that.

The lower right piece is the clamp for the depth probe.

Nick,

According to the seller, the box is original, but like yourself I found lots of others in varnished boxes with the accessories as you say.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

how about some form of circular scriber like Starrett®-PT27710

[Brian Sweeting 2Participant @briansweeting2]

I found one other picture on the web with a 14" like yours and, of course, the lollipop was empty as well.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Round master gauge block sounds likely, from Steviegtr's post. It probably fitted where the blued item is and that fitted in the lollipop cutout.

[Nigel McBurney 1Participant @nigelmcburney1]

When I bought my 2 inch M & W micrometer via the apprentice tool club,the boss took me down to his office and got out a stack of 1 inch dia gauge blocks ,which were about a 1/4 inch thick,a said I give every,one who buys a 2 inch mike one of these gauges to check the mikes accuracy until I run out of them,they were made to slip gauge accuracy,he made a point of making me pick up the block by the flat faces,with the instruction " always hold them on the flat and never hold them on the gauge faces ,fingerprints corrode gauge faces" I have never forgotten that and have always kept the gauge lightly oiled and still the wooden M & W mike box ,the mike and gauge are still in use 60 years later.

I expect a similar circular gauge came with the height gauge.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

If you look at the illustration supplied by Steviegtr, there appears to be a cylindrical gauge block in front of the height gauge. It is the type with flat ends to measure, rather than the precision outside diameter.

[Mike CrossfieldParticipant @mikecrossfield92481]

Rather puzzling.

I have the same height gauge in its fitted box with all accessories. The box and accessories differ from Bosun’s example. Mine has pretty much the accessories described in Stevegtr’s advert: a scribe, a depth probe, separate clamps for the scribe and probe, and a 1 1/2 inch height standard. All the accessories fit into vertical recesses, rather than cutouts. Does make one wonder if Bosun’s box is original.

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

Posted by old mart on 18/06/2020 19:56:40:

Round master gauge block sounds likely, from Steviegtr's post. It probably fitted where the blued item is and that fitted in the lollipop cutout.

I can see where you're coming from, but the lollipop shaped recess is massively oversized for the probe clamp.

I was beginning to wonder if it was an original R&C box, but after critical examination of what's left of the blue elliptical label, it's definately Rabone & Chesterman.

Not that I think I'll ever need the elusive lollipop, I'm just curious, possibly bordering on the obsessive now.

Any suggestions where I can buy a obtain a suitable calibration block?

[Ian McVickersParticipant @ianmcvickers56553]

Could well be a magnifier like this one on mine.

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