Lantern Chuck

[SaxalbyParticipant @saxalby]

Just thought I would post a few pictures of a 'Lantern Chuck' I recently made. Based on a design in either a GHT or Tubal Cain Book. Modified it to fit in my 3C collet adapter on the Boxford.

Got fed up cutting screws down and then trying to get a decent finish on the end. Now just rough cut them and then pop them in the chuck and then shape the end with a small concave form cutter I made.

Each size of screw has its own little adapter sleeve it goes into. Pop that in the chuck and when you screw up the lantern the brass pad holds the screw in place to shorted / form the end. Used with the saddle stop – all the same length.

Barry

[SaxalbyParticipant @saxalby]

[Brian in OZParticipant @brianinoz24148]

Hello Saxalby,

Lovely job and as you say very handy, am interested in how you actually made the "lantern" part of the gadget.

Looks maybe that you cut a section form a "U" channel and brazed it to the body and finished off in the mill or by hand, then of course back in the lathe to drill the central hole for the adapters which insidentaly are a great idea.

Brian

[SaxalbyParticipant @saxalby]

Hi Brian,

The 'Lantern' was made from solid. A piece of 1 1/4 inch steel was bored out, screw cut, knurled and then parted off. Held in the chuck with some copper strip to protect the knurling and the front portion reduced to about 1 1/8 inch dia. Lastly chucked on an indexer on the mill and the two cut-outs made (slowly) with the side of a 3/4 inch end mill, till it was reduced to about 3/8 inch or so. Centre hole was drilled with it attached to the 3C adapter.

Regards Barry

[Brian in OZParticipant @brianinoz24148]

Thanks Barry,

That's a good way to make it

The square edges inside the "lantern" are what threw me. My gear is a little smaller than yours and I use ER type collects (Emco 3 and C0), so apart from a "normal" one might also knock up an "oversize" one to fit in the 3 jaw. Like you I often have to modify/make small bolts.

Am tradeing up to a C1 shortly to get "proper" screw cutting especially for internal threads. A few years ago i picked up a screw cutting jig for the Emco, but at the time not much use for it so traded it for some other attachments, am kicking myself now for not keeping it. There is only so much you can do with taps and dies. Only problem is the C1 does not come with a compound slide so will have to make one (parts are quite expensive by the time they get to Australia). Hopefully with the C1 I can cut LH threads otherwise do have LH taps/dies in 6 and 8mm.

There was a good project in a recent MEW for one, just have to find which issue now as think it would scale down to my machine quite well.

Then I want to build a little rotary table (not geared) for rounding off bits and pieces, then a ball turning jig. I particularly like the little turret like ones so that both convex and concave cuts can be made (looks so easy on uTube video). Might see if anyone has built such attachments for the small lathes.

Brian

[SaxalbyParticipant @saxalby]

Hi Brian,

When you get your new C1 perhaps make a version of the Lantern with a parallel shank for either a collet or normal chuck.

In the GHT worshop book there is a design for a small, non geared, rotary table. With a small tool post mounted on the rotary table you can use it for ball turning. Kill two birds with one stone.

I have done quite a bit of ball handle making. Got fed up with forever loosing the Alan key or spanner for the various bits on the Boxford, so replaced the lot. It really is quite easy – just practice on a few scap pieces first.

Regards

Barry

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Barry – great idea – I've often thought about one of these and your excellent version ( and the pending need to resize quite a few screws) has motivated me!

Brian – I fully endorse Barry's recommendation of GHT's little rotary table.

Here, as they say, is one I made earlier!

 

A little off-putting for me at first was the dovetailed slot around the circumference of the table and even more off-putting was the need to make curved and dovetailed nuts to slide in it for the stops to fix to! Do not be put off by this – Follow GHT's explanation carefully and it really is a piece of cake!

The design calls for four "T" slots to be cut to allow work to be clamped to the table. Not having a "T" slot cutter at the time I chose to tap a series of holes so that I could fit clamps to hold the work. ( I arranged these so that I could cut the slots later when I got a cutter – so far I've not found the need to do so.)

To make this quick and easy to use I keep a piece of bar fixed to the table

 

This means I can quickly pop it into the vice on the mill for those "little jobs"

I've made up a number of different sized "pins" to fit he centre hole – these can be used to locate through the holes in rods which need their ends rounding off. ( If that makes sense)

 

It's an interesting and useful project.

Regards

 

Norman

Edited By NJH on 26/03/2012 14:09:26

Edited By NJH on 26/03/2012 14:14:47

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

Handy idea for that blank taper i've got lurking about

Neil

[Brian in OZParticipant @brianinoz24148]

Hi Barry and Norman,

Thanks very much for your advice.

Norman the rotary table looks good.

You guys have hit on a very good idea, with suitable adjustments to scaling i could make a "common" base which will take the compound slide (still haven't found it), rotary table and ball turning jig. Someone else put up some pics of a good looking ball turner but looks like maybe a little complex when reduced in size for the C1 (but wil check it out anyway.

Would need to make up a spare base so can use the rotary table on the mill (Emco 3).

Anyway will keep in touch when I have the project to planning stage but lantern chuck is first as have a bunch of bolts to customize

Regards

Brian

[Francois MeunierParticipant @francoismeunier96697]

Hi Saxalby

Smart & elegant tool you made.

How do you change the protruding length of the screw/bolt ? is the pad on which the head of the screw rests movable ? applying side thrust for forming the end of a long and slender screw is not possible. I did a similar tool of the John Wilding design (in "Using the small lathe&quot and I have to make a brass sleeve for each length for not getting bent screw, impossible to remove from the tool.

Zephyrin

[Peter BellParticipant @peterbell11509]

Thats a really good idea and well made.

I recently had to shorten some 10 & 12 ba screws so made the simple chuck shown. I used a hex brass body with a plate soldered to the end with a suitable hole. The screw to be cut is held on the end of the 4ba steel screw by a magnet and is inserted into the body, tightened up and put into the 3 jaw chuck on the lathe where it is gently filed to length. I found the magnet useful in keeping the screw in place when the chuck is dismantled and can hold it intil it is inserted into the job.

Peter

[SaxalbyParticipant @saxalby]

Hi Zephyrin,

When I first made the tool I made up a small quantity of blank sleeves for the screws in a few different lengths. So if I want to form the end of a long screw, use a long sleeve so that the screw is supported outside the lantern. The posted pics show a 5ba being trimmed and formed to about 3/8th long. Shortest I can do is about 3/16th. Hope that makes sense.

Peter,

Neat little device for those tiny screws. For what I build I am mainly wanting 6ba or larger, on rare occassions 8ba. So the lantern chuck was sized for my own needs. That said your solution could be adapted to the sleeves I use, if I ever do any tiny work.

Regards

Barry

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