Just desserts

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

Rhino poacher trampled to death by elephants then eaten by lions, wonderful sense of natural justice.

Cant help thinking if it had happened over here his family would sue the wildlife park and win compensation.

As you sow, so shall you reap.

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

Oh well, he won't do that again! Hurrah for Jumbo and Leo!

Actually I think the family would find it hard to gain compensation in this country unless it could be shown the park managers had definitely failed in some material way. Remember all those "No Win – No Fee" ads from ambulance-chasing agents, who were not lawyers but acted for lawyers, with both wanting to fleece the plaintiff's award? Most of them went bankrupt because so many claims were spurious.

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

This thread has nothing to do with model engineering or workshop activities. Suggest you post these sorts of unrelated things elsewhere.

Moderators please?

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

This post appears under the heading of “Tea Room” which is the correct placing for frivolous and /or non engineering items.

Dave W

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

Yes its nothing to do with the hobby. It just caught my eye and as in any tea room conversation I raised it.

I make no apology for posting this thread and hope it is not removed.

I imagine any club that strictly imposes a non engineering talk ban would be a boring place to be.

It's not political, it's not abusive its meant to highlight the destruction of wildlife by poaching.

If mr dayman had stood at the side of a rhino butchered for nothing more than its horn which is practically useless he would appreciate my posts motivation.

[Steve NeighbourParticipant @steveneighbour43428]

Posted by Samsaranda on 07/04/2019 15:08:44:

"This post appears under the heading of “Tea Room” which is the correct placing for frivolous and /or non engineering items"

Well said that man !!

(I suppose that really should be 'person' to avoid the PC police)

 

Edited By Steve Neighbour on 07/04/2019 16:05:13

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

This is the tea room topic.

However, I'm not sure being trampled to death is a joking matter, even for a rhino poacher.

Neil

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Samsaranda on 07/04/2019 15:08:44:

This post appears under the heading of “Tea Room” which is the correct placing for frivolous and /or non engineering items.

…. presumably the raison d'etre for the Tea Room in the first place.

Unfortunately a few people seem to interpret this as anything goes, anywhere in the forums.

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

Oh I do not think it is a joking matter, and I was not making light of it.

The poor man who died was poaching to survive I guess, he certainly wont benefit to the tune of the big boys who export the product. Same story mentioned 1.6 million pounds worth of Rhino horn seized at Hong Kong airport. It is the people who make the horn so valuable that need dealing with, not the poor wretches who try to get by.

By the way this was discussed some weeks ago by other members at my club and no one called for a halt to the conversation.

[Steve NeighbourParticipant @steveneighbour43428]

It is most certainly not a joking matter . . . but maybe . . just maybe the message will get out to those who are considering carrying out such a despicable act in killing a beautiful wild animal for no more than a few hundred dollars (I actually doubt the poachers get anything like that amount) that they are in grave danger of being killed themselves, not just by the volunteer game wardens but also by a twist of fate from the animals defending themselves.

My wife and I were privileged to travel to South Africa last year and went on a trip to see the Elephants at a reserve (one the size of Wales !!) it was amazing, and we saw literally 100's of beautiful Elephants having fun in as near a natural environment as is possible, but . . . . . we were horrified and saddened to learn from our guide that they have to cut off the tusks as soon as they grow and keep them trimmed to stop the poachers from killing the animals (and that's in a game reserve)

So, although it is always sad when a human loses their life, I make no apology for thinking that if you play with fire, every now and then someone will get burnt !!!

[Steve NeighbourParticipant @steveneighbour43428]

get burnt !!!

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Edited By Steve Neighbour on 07/04/2019 18:47:16

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

There are more lawful ways to earn a daily crust. I am not an overly worried animal lover, but on a game preserve it's wrong. The animals won this one.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Pedant alert. Correct spelling is just deserts. Single s. Bizarre but I blame the Frenchies.

[I.M. OUTAHEREParticipant @i-m-outahere]

I might be missing something but from what i have heard on the news and read about it it seems the only things they found of the man was his trousers and skull , how do they determine that he was stomped on by an Elephant then eaten by lions with such little evidence ? There is the possibility that he was killed by another poacher and even the rangers have to be alert and careful that the poachers they are tracking don’t shoot them .

Do i feel sorry for this guy -no he was killing a nearly extinct animal for profit and the animals killed him to protect themselves – at least they eat what they kill !

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

But was he killing it for profit? Or just to survive in a country with 27 per cent unemployment and most jobs paying a pittance that allows you to live in a shanty town slum with no electricity, running water etc?

I don't blame the impoverished Africans for doing this. Most of us would kill our own granny for a feed if we had to live the way they do.

But the wealthy Chinese who pay big money for illegal rhino horn for "medicine" for limp d*cks and pay for illegal ivory for decorative carvings are to blame for creating the demand. They do have choices. Most Africans don't.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by XD 351 on 09/04/2019 02:26:00:

I might be missing something but from what i have heard on the news and read about it it seems the only things they found of the man was his trousers and skull , how do they determine that he was stomped on by an Elephant then eaten by lions with such little evidence ? There is the possibility that he was killed by another poacher and even the rangers have to be alert and careful that the poachers they are tracking don’t shoot them .

From personal experience the media never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

Tony

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

Dear pedantic one 😊

I was always taught that an arid place full of sand was a desert and a cream filled cake was a dessert.

I may be wrong but I suspect in right.

Any other views please.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Plasma on 10/04/2019 15:58:21:

Dear pedantic one 😊

I was always taught that an arid place full of sand was a desert and a cream filled cake was a dessert.

I may be wrong but I suspect in right.

Any other views please.

Plasma, you are correct!

Tony

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 10/04/2019 16:03:47:

Posted by Plasma on 10/04/2019 15:58:21:

Dear pedantic one 😊

I was always taught that an arid place full of sand was a desert and a cream filled cake was a dessert.

I may be wrong but I suspect in right.

Any other views please.

Plasma, you are correct!

Tony

Pendant Alert!

Nothing to do with puddings or empty spaces, the OED definition of 'desert' as used in this sense is: 'That in conduct or character which deserves reward or punishment'. The word shares the same French root as 'deserve'.

The other Desert is from Latin, 'desertus' meaning 'abandoned'.

Curious that 'Just Deserts' makes sense whichever definition is used, pudding, place of banishment, or deserving. However we pedants insist knowing the difference is absolutely essential. Is this why I don't have a girlfriend?

Dave

[Roger Williams 2Participant @rogerwilliams2]

Plasma, well said !. The poacher would have died in agony, .

Reminds me of the picture of a certain prince kneeling by the side of a 1 ton water buffalo he had just shot, he didnt feel any pain though.

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

It is an interesting fact that most Africans are protein starved. In my time in kenya I used to see them capturing flying insects at night around the street lights where they then fried them to sell in the market next day. Obviously in areas where there are big lakes fishing is done and fish as small as your little finger are sun dried and sent all around the provence. Lakes are now totally overfished and destroyed.An Elephant killed on control or being in the wrong area was quickly cut up and biltong made from the meat.

A story here, I was in the Game warden house one night and the Askari came in and said there was a runner outside. The game warden called him in and he had a cleft stick with a letter in the cleft. He had run/walked all day up into dusk from the coast near Mombasa and was covered in dust.

Barry the warden read the letter and laughed, it seems a Hippo was raiding the crops from the river and the letter had asked the warden to come down and shoot it. This was nearly midnight but the warden said, 'Lets go' so we piled into the Land Rover and travelled through the night to the village. It was dawn when we arrived and the Headman came out to meet us. Asked where the Hippo was he pointed to the pool by the village and sure enough there was the Hippo. It was duly dispatched in the water and as it was shot half the village jumped in the water and tied ropes to it pull it in.

The warden said to the headman what are you going to do? and the man said, 'Eat it'. The warden then said , 'But your Muslims and it's not Halhal'. The head man replied, 'Not to worry Bwana, it's a fish and lives in the water'.

By this time we were rolling on the floor laughing.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

Curious this, "desert" as in arid wasteland the " s" is pronounced like it's a "z" but so is the other word with 2 "s" s, as in "just desserts".

Usually, a double letter is the soft version, like the double f in Ffestiniog. The single letter is normally pronounced in a hard/ harsh sort of way, but my first example appears to break the 'rule', hence I said its curious.

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