Is this distasteful

[Peter G. ShawParticipant @peterg-shaw75338]

Come on Howi. If you are the person I think you are, then you know darn well what I can be like. One clue, Seymour. And not the one in the early LOSW programmes.

Peter G. Shaw

[David-Clark 1Participant @david-clark1]

Hi Peter

Is this about someone pretending to be you or is it someone trying to upset me?

I can be ten times more malicious and vindictive if someone upsets me. (Not you Peter.)

This year (well Christmas last year) I got Father Christmas the sack from a local garden centre.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 12/03/2022 06:41:01:

This will probably be distasteful to some, but it’s an important reality-check

Today’s Daily Telegraph has an article entitled

“The inside story of how Britain armed Ukraine’s resistance to Russia”

It features brief details of NLAW

… a weapon without which the brave Ukrainians would not be doing quite so well.

MichaelG.

Now, there is a sign of the times:

“The NLAW is a wonderful thing. A Javelin [the American-made portable anti-tank missile] has better range – but in the city, [NLAW] is better”, explained the Colonel, as it can be fired from within a building and is simple to operate. “Everyone can use it. You can learn how to fire it on YouTube.”

Makes a change from Blondiehacks and Joe Pie, I guess.

[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

Posted by Peter G. Shaw on 11/03/2022 15:52:38:

whatever happens, it's outside my control.

Unless you're under some undisclosed prohibition to donate to charity, to contribute to the comments or letters sections of national newspapers, to lobby your MP, to participate in the activities of NGOs, pressure groups, civil society and the UK's democratic processes generally, or simply to speak your mind to others (and you've demonstrated you're capable of that on a broad range of topics), then neither the Ukraine crisis nor many other things going on in the world are completely outside your control.

 

Edited By Bill Phinn on 12/03/2022 12:43:07

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Posted by Hopper on 12/03/2022 11:28:39:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 12/03/2022 06:41:0

>>>>>> snip <<<<<<

Now, there is a sign of the times:

“The NLAW is a wonderful thing. A Javelin [the American-made portable anti-tank missile] has better range – but in the city, [NLAW] is better”, explained the Colonel, as it can be fired from within a building and is simple to operate. “Everyone can use it. You can learn how to fire it on YouTube.”

When firing an ATM (Anti Tank Missile) be aware of the BBDA {Back Blast Danger Area) which is usually about 30 degrees each side of the back of the launcher and can extend to 25m behind. Just warn your mates.

* danny *

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

The NLAW has negligable back blast. Hence it can be fired from a enclosed space. The main rocket does not fire until the missile is several meters from the launch tube.
It's a very advanced "fire and forget" weapon.

[Ex contributorParticipant @mgnbuk]

When firing an ATM (Anti Tank Missile) be aware of the BBDA {Back Blast Danger Area) which is usually about 30 degrees each side of the back of the launcher and can extend to 25m behind.

NLAW appears to have less back blast than some ATMs :

"A ‘cold launch’ system then ejects the missile with pressurized gas before it ignites its rocket motor, accelerating the weapon to 440 miles per hour (200 meters per second). This allows the weapon to be used safely from interior spaces without injuring personnel with the rocket’s back blast. "

From the videos showing them being deployed, I still wouldn't want to be behind one when the trigger was pulled (or in front of one for that matter ! ).

Combination of NLAWs and Javelins deployed from drones seem to be hammering another nail in the coffin of the Main Battle Tank – a $20k 10kg "disposable" infantry rocket system that can destroy a $5 million MBT at up to 800 metres.

Nigel B.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by David-Clark 1 on 11/03/2022 22:14:08:

Thank you. Glad to be back.

Lots coming back to me.

Welcome back David, you were off the radar for a good while, I hope health continues to improve.

Neil

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

SAAB’s advertising is impressive : **LINK**

https://www.saab.com/products/nlaw

Sincere apologies if mentioning this offends anyone, but NLAW is clearly an excellent defensive weapon if your country happens to be invaded by Tanks.

MichaelG.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by mgnbuk on 12/03/2022 13:14:58:

When firing an ATM (Anti Tank Missile) be aware of the BBDA {Back Blast Danger Area) …

Nigel B.

Not polite I feel to use Speedy's "Is this distasteful' thread is to launch more content that might be considered distateful! Better start a new thread for such stuff please.

This famous cartoon sums up the distasteful side of effective weapons. Roughly translated, 'The dream of the inventor of the Needle Gun', it's a comment on the Austro-Prussian war of 1866, which triggered the Franco-Prussian war of 1870. In it the skeletal gun-maker Johann von Dreyse smiles at the heaps of dead and maimed he's brought about. Success!

Most people see weapons from Johann's perspective. Unfortunate because most of us would be on the receiving end…

Dave

[David-Clark 1Participant @david-clark1]

Thank you Niel

I hope it improves to. Another month and I will know if they are chopping the other leg off.

Hopefully, not. At least I don’t have to phone the wife and say they have cut my leg off. She was not pleased last time I did that. No problem now she has gone.

I hope to live long and prosper. Not a lot more to go wrong now. I had a full MOT last September and they could.
not find anything wrong with me, even my brain still worked.

They gave me a pacemaker just in case because they said I would probably need one in the next 5 years anyway.

Fortunately it worked, more luck than judgment on there part, and I have not had another blackout since.

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Posted by mgnbuk on 12/03/2022 13:14:58:

When firing an ATM (Anti Tank Missile) be aware of the BBDA {Back Blast Danger Area) which is usually about 30 degrees each side of the back of the launcher and can extend to 25m behind.

NLAW appears to have less back blast than some ATMs :

"A ‘cold launch’ system then ejects the missile with pressurized gas before it ignites its rocket motor, accelerating the weapon to 440 miles per hour (200 meters per second). This allows the weapon to be used safely from interior spaces without injuring personnel with the rocket’s back blast. "

From the videos showing them being deployed, I still wouldn't want to be behind one when the trigger was pulled (or in front of one for that matter ! ).

Combination of NLAWs and Javelins deployed from drones seem to be hammering another nail in the coffin of the Main Battle Tank – a $20k 10kg "disposable" infantry rocket system that can destroy a $5 million MBT at up to 800 metres.

Nigel B.

Deployed from drones? These are both infantry weapons, if you have any information of these being deployed from drones I'd be interested to see.

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

The original point of this thread was is it distasteful, well maybe, but remember there are some environmentalists who may think your steam model trains are distasteful, they may come for your hobby in the near future.

[Kiwi BlokeParticipant @kiwibloke62605]

Better, surely, for us to decide for ourselves what we consider tasteful or otherwise, and to act accordingly, than to have others decide for us and legislate, or apply mob rule.

Edited By Kiwi Bloke on 14/03/2022 07:41:25

[CirclipParticipant @circlip]

Pity that when the muddrators decide to employ their own standards and delete comments, that they don't have the courtesy to inform, via PM the perpetrator.

Regards Ian.

[David-Clark 1Participant @david-clark1]

It has always been the same since I was the first moderator when I was the Model Engineers’ Workshop editor. I don’t remember blocking many posts- though. I would probably not let through posts about gun making and ammunition though because most of it was illegal in the UK. Same as not having articles about it in either magazine, I think there was a series describing the construction of a “Pepperpot Pistol” In Model Engineer before my time though.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Circlip on 14/03/2022 08:24:37:

Pity that when the muddrators decide to employ their own standards and delete comments, that they don't have the courtesy to inform, via PM the perpetrator.

Regards Ian.

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I think it’s probably an attempt at Pavlovian conditioning

MichaelG..

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

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Edited By Ady1 on 14/03/2022 09:44:57

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 14/03/2022 07:40:41:

Better, surely, for us to decide for ourselves what we consider tasteful or otherwise, and to act accordingly, than to have others decide for us and legislate, or apply mob rule.

Edited By Kiwi Bloke on 14/03/2022 07:41:25

But 'us' left alone are the mob as we had on here last week.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Pete. on 13/03/2022 02:14:02:

The original point of this thread was is it distasteful, well maybe, but remember there are some environmentalists who may think your steam model trains are distasteful, they may come for your hobby in the near future.

And some who don't.

Neil CEnv (look it up )

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/03/2022 16:45:50:

Posted by Pete. on 13/03/2022 02:14:02:

The original point of this thread was is it distasteful, well maybe, but remember there are some environmentalists who may think your steam model trains are distasteful, they may come for your hobby in the near future.

And some who don't.

…

Environmentalists worry about catastrophic climate change, not toy trains.

33 billion tons of coal burnt per year and rising…

Dave

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 14/03/2022 17:43:48:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/03/2022 16:45:50:

Posted by Pete. on 13/03/2022 02:14:02:

The original point of this thread was is it distasteful, well maybe, but remember there are some environmentalists who may think your steam model trains are distasteful, they may come for your hobby in the near future.

And some who don't.

…

Environmentalists worry about catastrophic climate change, not toy trains.

33 billion tons of coal burnt per year and rising…

Dave

I think you misunderstood the point I was making, not that a few handfuls of charcoal in a toy train will destroy the environment, but be careful not to try and ban everything you might not like because there will always be someone who takes offence to what you enjoy and try and ban it.

There was a thread on here last summer and someone stated they're against a charcoal BBQ because of the environmental harm.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Pete. on 15/03/2022 00:51:20:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 14/03/2022 17:43:48:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/03/2022 16:45:50:

Posted by Pete. on 13/03/2022 02:14:02:

The original point of this thread was is it distasteful, well maybe, but remember there are some environmentalists who may think your steam model trains are distasteful, they may come for your hobby in the near future.

And some who don't.

…

Environmentalists worry about catastrophic climate change, not toy trains.

33 billion tons of coal burnt per year and rising…

Dave

I think you misunderstood the point I was making, not that a few handfuls of charcoal in a toy train will destroy the environment, but be careful not to try and ban everything you might not like because there will always be someone who takes offence to what you enjoy and try and ban it.

…

Can't disagree with that Pete! I'm against banning things too – without good reason.

My point is it's wrong to trivialise efforts to improve the environment by suggesting environmentalists will object to model engineering and somehow succeed in banning it! A few ignorant green band-standers might sniff at the hobby, but environmentalism isn't about stopping low damage fun, it's about tackling the most serious challenge of our age.

Environmentalists don't run governments or big business. Green issues are getting attention from them now because there really is a problem, even if vested interests and wishful thinkers are denying it.

Dave

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