Impulse buy German pillar drill

[Mark Gould 1Participant @markgould1]

[Mark Gould 1Participant @markgould1]

Gents,

I have wanted a quality European drill for a while and have been searching for Meddings etc. but havent been successful.
i recently ran into this one which seems to be military surplus. Have anyone heard of it? It is a Duss D23 and the press part is a Hahn and Kolb.
My internet searches haven’t revealed much info.

Many thanks,

Mark

 

 

Edited By Mark Gould 1 on 15/12/2019 04:16:22

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

The number on the box is a ‘National Stock Number’

Searching for nsn 5130-12-145-6396 will get you to some basic descriptions of the drill and related parts.

Looks a useful bit of kit

MichaelG.

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Edit: The underlining in my post is ‘just another feature’ of the forum software … I have tried, and failed, to remove it.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 09:01:03

[Mark Gould 1Participant @markgould1]

Thanks Michael, I’ll look that up.

Mark

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 08:49:29:

The number on the box is a ‘National Stock Number’

Searching for nsn 5130-12-145-6396 will get you to some basic descriptions of the drill and related parts.

Looks a useful bit of kit

MichaelG.

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Edit: The underlining in my post is ‘just another feature’ of the forum software … I have tried, and failed, to remove it.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 09:01:03

Pedant alert: Only in the USA is it called the 'National Stock Number', for everyone else it's the NATO Stock-Number.

The two digit code is the country of registration; USA military items are almost always '00' or '01'. UK registered items are '99'. '12' is Germany.:

What's slightly odd is a German Drill, with a German NATO stock-number, in a German Box, marked 'US Property'! My guess is the drill is of US manufacture, made by contract for the US military with a US NATO stock number, but the same drill has been bought by the German Army and registered by them.

The main purpose of NATO stock numbers is to allow national forces to control their supply systems. NSNs are catalogue numbers allowing military items to be quickly identified, replenished and – absolute top priority – accounted and paid for. Normally the US Army willnot draw on British stores, or even those of the US Navy, but in a shooting war the system allows NATO forces to source equipment and stores from each other, tri-service and/or internationally.

Military gear is usually exceptionally well-made, but beware this may not be a good thing. An old MoD joke is that a TV set made for the armed forces will be waterproof to 20metres, shock-proof and radiation hardened, receive all known TV signals from anywhere in the world, and be made of nothing but the very best materials, all silver-plated. Unfortunately, it will need three highly-trained operators, weigh 500kg, require a 110V 400Hz 3-phase supply, have special plugs and sockets, be £2M per-set over budget and 15 years late. Also, it won't work…

Dave

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 15/12/2019 09:43:01:
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Pedant alert: Only in the USA is it called the 'National Stock Number', for everyone else it's the NATO Stock-Number.

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Yes, I know, Dave

It was as a courtesy to the previous owner that I used ‘National’ instead of ‘NATO’

You will of course realise that the suggested search-term ‘nsn’ covers both.

MichaelG.

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P.S. for this search … duck duck go returns a better set of results than google

Edit: For those with nothing better to do today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Stock_Number

 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 10:18:11

[CirclipParticipant @circlip]

"Military gear is usually exceptionally well-made, but beware this may not be a good thing."

In a former life I worked for a company producing in effect exhaust clamps ( Vee clamps really). Request for quotation came in one day for a clamp to hold the radome top (Fibreglass) onto the base of a mobile tracking system. Spec. noted "Must be capable of withstanding a nuclear blast." We offered some for the customer to test.

Another asked for an exhaust clamp for a system running at a temp of up to 1000deg C.(Yea Yea Yea) Supplied one made from Inconel and received a Monday morning call after a notable Le-Mans weekend saying after a couple of laps car had to have clamps retightened. Company went by the name of TWR, cars were the big cats.

Proved to us SOME people do know what 1000C means.

Regards Ian.

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 08:49:29:

The number on the box is a ‘National Stock Number’

Searching for nsn 5130-12-145-6396 will get you to some basic descriptions of the drill and related parts.

Looks a useful bit of kit

MichaelG.

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Edit: The underlining in my post is ‘just another feature’ of the forum software … I have tried, and failed, to remove it.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 09:01:03

The underlining seems to be because something has identified it as a Skype phone number.
When I click on your link in Opera, it wants to open Skype to make a call.
Bill

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by peak4 on 15/12/2019 11:57:43:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 08:49:29:

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Edit: The underlining in my post is ‘just another feature’ of the forum software … I have tried, and failed, to remove it.

The underlining seems to be because something has identified it as a Skype phone number.
When I click on your link in Opera, it wants to open Skype to make a call.
Bill

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Thanks for confirming that behaviour, Bill

I tried selecting it and using the ‘break hyperlink’ icon in the menu … but the drop-down list [which defaults to phone number] doesn’t include an option to make it plain text.

MichaelG.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

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Edited By Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 13:53:07

[Swarf, Mostly!Participant @swarfmostly]

Somebody once told me that one merit of the NATO stock number system was that it enabled one to distiguish betweem 'hangars, aircraft' and 'hangers, coat'.

Best regards,

Swarf, Mostly!

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 13:37:54

Thanks for confirming that behaviour, Bill

I tried selecting it and using the ‘break hyperlink’ icon in the menu … but the drop-down list [which defaults to phone number] doesn’t include an option to make it plain text.

MichaelG.

Hmm nsn 5130-12-145-6396 That's for the Google search

Lets see what happens

Seemed to work, 

Bill

 

Edited By peak4 on 15/12/2019 14:35:58

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

It's a nice looking machine, be careful you get the plug wired correctly, the wire colours might be strange.

[Mark Gould 1Participant @markgould1]

Good point old mart, I’ll probably in here when the machine arrives.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by peak4 on 15/12/2019 14:32:14:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 13:37:54

Thanks for confirming that behaviour, Bill

I tried selecting it and using the ‘break hyperlink’ icon in the menu … but the drop-down list [which defaults to phone number] doesn’t include an option to make it plain text.

MichaelG.

Hmm nsn 5130-12-145-6396 That's for the Google search

Lets see what happens

Seemed to work,

Bill

 

Edited By peak4 on 15/12/2019 14:35:58

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Indeed it did, Bill … but I was trying to edit what I had written as a piece of simple plain text, and which had been magically turned into a link by the forum software.

MichaelG.

 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 15:31:53

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Could you post a pic of the plate on the drill?

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Well, it's a hand drill with a separate press, bit like a very, very posh B&D I used to have before I got a bench drill . Unlike the B&D if drills a 23mm hole, it's a very slow drill.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Two useful pages here: **LINK**

https://shop.elektrowerkzeughandel.de/epages/elektrowerkzeughandel.mobile/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/elektrowerkzeughandel/Categories/DUSS/%22DUSS+Ersatzteile%22/%22DUSS+Bohrhämmer+und+Bohrmaschinen+Ersatzteile%22/%22DUSS+D23-II+u.+D23-II+RL%22

It looks like the same head might be used for multi-spindle drilling machines.

Correction: 6-gang evidently means 6-speed

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUSS-Bohrmaschine-Standerbohrmaschine-6-Gang-D23-II-UNIVERSAL-220V-ex-BW-Duss2/362103937166

MichaelG.

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Edited By Michael Gilligan on 15/12/2019 21:22:50

[Mark Gould 1Participant @markgould1]

Posted by old mart on 15/12/2019 18:10:18:

Could you post a pic of the plate on the drill?

I will when I get it mart.

Mark

[Mark Gould 1Participant @markgould1]

Yes Michael, thats right. 6 gang indeed means 6 gears. From what I can see the gears are changed using 2 selectors on the body of the drill. Thanks for the links,

Mark

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

It appears to be the kind of drill that would normally be used on a magnetic base fitted to a bench stand. The magnetic base drills are used by steel erectors etc to drill holes in structural steelwork in-situ.

Looks nice.

Robert G8RPI.

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