Hobby mill advice

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

Hi

This has probably been asked quite a few times but I’m after a decent hobby mill

for my single garage workshop (currently fitting out).

It’s for general DIY but I also have three motorcycles (2 classic) so something with

a bit of torque would be useful.

Space is limited and something like the Clarke CMD10 is an ideal size but I’d worry about the plastic gears.

Maximum size would be something like a Sieg SX1LP. Also has fixed column

and belt drive.

I’d like to be able to drill steel up to about 1cm thick but most of the time it would be fairly light use.

Maybe too many limiting factors with space vs requirements but any any help appreciated.

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

[Paul LousickParticipant @paullousick59116]

Hi Dan,

There are lots of posts and advice about selecting a milling m/c. Do a search in the box above.

Paul.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Welcome, Dan, you should take a look at the Warco, ARC or Chester links on this website. ARC helpfully show the space taken up by their machines, which is good if you have a limited room in the workshop. If buying new and there is a choice, go for an R8 spindle fitting.

Edited By old mart on 04/06/2021 13:12:58

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

It's the drill diameter that takes the torque not thickness! I'd guess the SX1LP would be your best bet, a better motor option than the Clarke which is basically the same machine but with smaller table and (IMHO) lower quality.

Arc Eurotrade are the go-to supplier for Sieg in my view. The table on the SX1LP is small enough, but I think you'd find that the CMD10 version is much too small for motorbike parts. People seem pretty happy with the X1 type mills on the whole, look for Mike's Workshop on Google, he has done a lot with it and describes a lot of mods and accessories.

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

Posted by old mart on 04/06/2021 13:11:31:

Welcome, Dan, you should take a look at the Warco, ARC or Chester links on this website. ARC helpfully show the space taken up by their machines, which is good if you have a limited room in the workshop. If buying new and there is a choice, go for an R8 spindle fitting.

Edited By old mart on 04/06/2021 13:12:58

Thanks. It’s sold out but the Warco WM12 looks promising. Gear drive but powerful motor.

Don’t know much about spindle fittings and difference between them.

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

You could have a look at my website – Milling Machines Getting Started – I wrote this to save keep repeating it here!

John

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Be aware that some companies state input wattage and others output so that powerful motor may not actually be as powerful as it first looks

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Posted by JasonB on 04/06/2021 14:42:08:

Be aware that some companies state input wattage and others output so that powerful motor may not actually be as powerful as it first looks

Just as JB.

Many get conned into comparing apples with oranges. This happens with all sorts of equipment these days. Lathes, mills, band saws, compressors (air displacement and delivery). Even generators (kW and kVA are not the same). Do read the specs carefully and ask about anything you are not completely sure of.

With any variable speed motor, that power will only apply for one speed – all others will be less.

The Arc motor power quoted is output, btw.

Edited By not done it yet on 04/06/2021 15:00:30

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Having a machine that has a mechanical gear reduction, belts and pulleys or gears has an advantage over a machine with only speed control via the motor. With drilling, for instance, the larger the drill the slower speed needed, but also more torque to turn it. Slowing an electric motor to half its nominal speed looses 50% of its power and slower than that its much less. This is where the gearing comes into its own, even if it takes more time to set up.

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

Posted by Journeyman on 04/06/2021 14:08:17:

You could have a look at my website – Milling Machines Getting Started – I wrote this to save keep repeating it here!

John

Thanks. Useful info

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Some advice here worth reading.

[Ian Johnson 1Participant @ianjohnson1]

The sieg sx1lp is the upgraded version of my sx1, and I am always pleasantly surprised at how it survives my abuse! It is a sturdy little machine, mine has the pointless tilting column, never used it, so the fixed base is a bonus.

I have made motor cycle parts on it and probably oversized parts too, but I did upgrade to the larger 400mm long table which is now standard on the sx1lp

So yes the sx1lp is a good choice, considering your space limitations.

IanJ

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

If considering a Sieg machine and you can find another £200 over the price of the Sieg SX1LP I can recommend the SX2P.

Table size and machine footprint is the same but the SX2 is a R8 spindle, 500 watt output against the 250 watt for the SX1 and a heavier column.

I am only speaking from my experience with the SX2 which overall I have to say has been very good. Its done all I have asked of it and more, some of which I thought would really test it but used sensibly with the right tooling its always coped well. Reliability has been 100% and for its size as a small hobby mill I really can't fault it.

 

 

 

Edited By Ron Laden on 05/06/2021 05:43:03

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

Don't forget the point about milling-machine footprints. They are greedy for space.

The width they occupy is roughly twice the table length, as a starting-point – more accurately it is [full table length + travel], disposed symmetrically about the column's centre-line. Then you need add the projections due to the handles (or power feed), and also consider access to operate the machine comfortably and to reach anything stored beyond it.

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

Posted by Ian Johnson 1 on 04/06/2021 23:59:12:

The sieg sx1lp is the upgraded version of my sx1, and I am always pleasantly surprised at how it survives my abuse! It is a sturdy little machine, mine has the pointless tilting column, never used it, so the fixed base is a bonus.

I have made motor cycle parts on it and probably oversized parts too, but I did upgrade to the larger 400mm long table which is now standard on the sx1lp

So yes the sx1lp is a good choice, considering your space limitations.

IanJ

 

Thanks. The tilting column is why I’m not considering the Clarke CMD300. Not sure if it needs aligning even if not using the angle.

Also the ‘L’ is a bit confusing in the model numbers.

I think the SX1LP would do fine. The last drill was a really old bench mounted pillar one (40’s or 50’s) with a huge wall mounted washing machine motor. Used it for thirty years at my previous house. Plenty of power and the drill would turn in the chuck if working hard.

Had to sell due to moving and space hence looking at what’s available now. Will need to read up a bit more on the spindle type but it’ll be used mostly for drilling.

Edited By Dan Reavey on 05/06/2021 10:07:38

Edited By Dan Reavey on 05/06/2021 10:08:11

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 05/06/2021 09:50:20:

Don't forget the point about milling-machine footprints. They are greedy for space.

The width they occupy is roughly twice the table length, as a starting-point – more accurately it is [full table length + travel], disposed symmetrically about the column's centre-line. Then you need add the projections due to the handles (or power feed), and also consider access to operate the machine comfortably and to reach anything stored beyond it.

Thanks. Good points. Height also so can’t install under a wall mounted cabinet.

I have a raised area, 143cm x 110cm at the back of my garage. I’ll probably make a bench 600mm deep from 3×2.

Most of the time, the milling part won’t be used but even so, there needs to be room around it for drilling large pieces.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

You likely need a floor mounted pillar drill for drilling ‘large’ pieces. A small mill will only drill so far from the column and the height restriction can also be a limiting factor. But depends on what you call large, I suppose…

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

Yes, possibly a floor mounted drill. Saw one briefly in MachineMart the other day. Looked good value.

My old pillar drill:

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

Posted by not done it yet on 05/06/2021 10:37:39:

You likely need a floor mounted pillar drill for drilling ‘large’ pieces. A small mill will only drill so far from the column and the height restriction can also be a limiting factor. But depends on what you call large, I suppose…

Thanks. Beginning to think I’d do better with a pillar drill. It’s what I've always used and could offer most stuff up to it.

Easier to position too.

My local MachineMart has one:

**LINK**

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

The chuck to column on that machine is only 162mm, so not exactly over-large but may be enough for your ‘larger’ items. The vertical axis is clearly much less restrained.🙂 Again, check for the real motor output, but it may well be adequately powered. You cannot mill (safely) on a drilling machine, of course.

Personally, I’m not too keen on machinemart/clarke products, but that is my opinion – I would rather pay that sort of money for a good second hand machine.

[Dan ReaveyParticipant @danreavey17846]

Posted by not done it yet on 05/06/2021 18:52:42:

The chuck to column on that machine is only 162mm, so not exactly over-large but may be enough for your ‘larger’ items. The vertical axis is clearly much less restrained.🙂 Again, check for the real motor output, but it may well be adequately powered. You cannot mill (safely) on a drilling machine, of course.

Personally, I’m not too keen on machinemart/clarke products, but that is my opinion – I would rather pay that sort of money for a good second hand machine.

Thanks.

TBH I’ve never done any milling or found that I really need to. I’d probably make more use of a metal turning lathe.

One of my motorcycle clubs recommended a Clarke CL500 mill/drill/lathe combo although this would take the space

of a bench.

Plenty of options but a general purpose pillar drill would be useful. Possibly bench mounted so not losing storage space underneath.

Screwfix one here.

**LINK**

Also I think with a hobby mill, it’s best not to do too much wood drilling because of the dust clogging up everything.

I’m currently putting a Clarke bench together. Not easy but their shelving units are great.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Dan Reavey on 06/06/2021 09:21:06:

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Plenty of options but a general purpose pillar drill would be useful. Possibly bench mounted so not losing storage space underneath.

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Sorry, Dan … I’m struggling with the logic

[please correct me if I am missing something significant]

You appear to have a very robust old drill already

I would be interested to see just how good it could become if you threw £250 at refurbishing it.

MichaelG.

[Grindstone CowboyParticipant @grindstonecowboy]

[please correct me if I am missing something significant]

You appear to have a very robust old drill already

I think you missed the part where he had to sell it when he moved house

Regards, Rob

Edited By Grindstone Cowboy on 06/06/2021 09:59:45

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 06/06/2021 09:59:31:

[please correct me if I am missing something significant]

You appear to have a very robust old drill already

I think you missed the part where he had to sell it when he moved house

Regards, Rob

.

Oops … Thanks Rob,

MichaelG.

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