Heinz Beanz advert banned for health and safety reasons

[Bob RodgersonParticipant @bobrodgerson97362]

I wonder how many people have tried to push out the corned beef against the taper in the can.

H & S has gone mad, no longer are people prepared, through the school of hard knocks, for dangers that everyday acts have, never mind being able to think out risks involved in the unusual events.

However in defence of H & S ,I worked most of my working life in a very dangerous occupation in which many men were killed and injured, especially in the early years of the North Sea. (Oil & Gas Well drilling). Over the years, improved safety awareness and H & S regulations have vastly improved the accident rate.

It took a few years for people to realise that H & S was not going to go away and as senior management up to board level took it on board the whole safety culture was changed making the offshore drilling industry much safer than it was all those years ago.

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

. . . . umm did they ban it or did they just ask for an instruction to tape up sharp edges to be added?

Martin

[steamdaveParticipant @steamdave]

H & S really took off after the Quality Control empire bubble burst. The deadbeats from there had to think up something to keep them at their desks.

Dave
The Emerald Isle

[WindyParticipant @windy30762]

I'm not a fan of many of the H & S doctrines but being involved in car body repairs most of my life in my earlier days a company I worked for did not have the safety gear that is now compulsory.

I've been fortunate my lungs are OK but I met a chap in hospital who had his immune system compromised with the isocyanates in the paints I was using in those early days.

In its place H & S is good but over the top in others.

[nigel jones 5Participant @nigeljones5]

Its not all for the worse, as a child we had a ready made trampoline on the farm, it was two sheets of roof corrugate layed over a hole. My friend and I loved bouncing on them. The hole was a 300ft lead mine shaft! I still cringe when I think back to it. How were were not killed is a miracle. These are all capped off with copncrete railway sleepers now.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Nishka on 24/11/2016 00:09:49:

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Is the world a safer place now? I doubt it!

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The statistics suggest that it is, at least in the UK. People living in Syria would disagree.

According to the World Health Organisation figures, the mortality rate for British males in the middle aged group (35-69), has fallen by 60% since 1955, 56% since 1975, and 24% since 2000.

You would have been most likely to die violently in the UK in the 1970s, when the death rate due to violence in the male middle aged group peaked at 4 per 100,000. Today you are 75% less likely to die by violence than you would have in 1975. Surprisingly to someone brought up on Dixon of Dock Green, there the probability of a violent death was 69% higher in 1955 than now.

Of course, much depends on where you live. The death by violence rate for the equivalent group in the USA peaked during the 1990s. But whatever year you look at, the USA is about 10 times more dangerous in terms of violent death than the UK.

Why are we safer today? It's not clear, but many different forces have been working in our favour, such as better food, medicine, products, policing, living conditions, health awareness and the closure of dangerous industries. Will it last? Probably not, what with 'post-truth politics', global warming, a looming food crisis, and natural resources running out.

That said, a very curious feature of my growing older is the increasing conviction that things were much better in the my youth, despite all evidence to the contrary. I strongly suspect today's youngsters are ignorant, incompetent, slack, lazy, drug addled criminals. They can't possibly be trusted in the workplace. Not only that but anything manufactured today is much inferior to the products of yesteryear. As this decline has been going on since the Romans, I've reluctantly concluded that the problem is likely to be me. Can anyone suggest a cure?

Ta,

Dave

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 24/11/2016 13:39:39:

According to the World Health Organisation figures, the mortality rate for British males in the middle aged group (35-69), has fallen by 60% since 1955, 56% since 1975, and 24% since 2000.

There was a study in Scientific American some years ago that suggested that the most of that is due to improvements in infant mortality rates.

[JAParticipant @ja]

Some research has suggested that the reduction in violent crime is associated with the removal of lead from paint and petrol. Do the Americans still use leaded fuel (no question mark).

JA

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

No big deal to have 10-12 deer in the front yard, not yet this year. If they reappear I will get a picture. I live in the country and My yard is around 150' square so it's not big. We live around farm land, but they prefer fruit trees.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by JA on 24/11/2016 15:19:44:

Some research has suggested that the reduction in violent crime is associated with the removal of lead from paint and petrol. Do the Americans still use leaded fuel (no question mark).

If there was a question mark… no they banned it four years before we did.

If anyone questions whether or not air pollution levels are dropping, I saw two large, healthy Ramalina lichens in Birmingham today, on a nature reserve with the Quinton Expressway one one side (about 30 yards away) and the M5 on the other.

It's moderately tolerant of air pollution but you would have struggled to find the most tolerant of crustose lichens would not have been found at that site twenty years ago.

Neil

[ChrisHParticipant @chrish]

Bit behind the time now, but in response to SillyOldDuffer's quick poll:

1. No

2. Am aware

3. Depends on how the tin was opened

And to MichaelG who was hoping the answer to 1. would be 100%, I don't do BBC news unless I have to, it's too biased, and don't watch much TV unless it's a really interesting programme, as so much on TV is just Crap TV as I call it!

Chris

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

I suspect this was more to do with money.

Little Johnny cuts himself banging the wrong end of the bean can.

Grasping parent says who's responsible, I want compensation?

Lawyer says the regulator who didn't ban it plus the bean company.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Martin Kyte on 24/11/2016 09:07:30:

. . . . umm did they ban it or did they just ask for an instruction to tape up sharp edges to be added?

Martin

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Martin,

The ruling is quite explicit: **LINK**

https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2016/11/HJ-Heinz-Foods-UK-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_354284.aspx#.WDdjwLTfWhA

MichaelG.

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For the benefit of those who don't follow links … here is the punchline, quoted verbatim:

Action

The ad must not be broadcast again in its current form. We told HJ Heinz Foods UK Ltd to ensure that future ads did not condone or encourage behaviour that prejudiced health and safety, including behaviour that could be dangerous for children to emulate, for example by including a clear on-screen safety message such as “Play safe: tape the can”.

[JAParticipant @ja]

This is beginning to remind me of a proposed EU ruling saying that everything sold that could be misused should carry a warning against the major misuses. The London Brick Company pointed out that this meant bricks should be "embossed" with a warning not to use one for holding up, supporting, a car.

JA

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by JA on 24/11/2016 23:10:10:

This is beginning to remind me of a proposed EU ruling saying that everything sold that could be misused should carry a warning against the major misuses. The London Brick Company pointed out that this meant bricks should be "embossed" with a warning not to use one for holding up, supporting, a car.

JA

And not to drop it out of a 5th floor window on to the footpath below.

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

That's pretty much what I said Michael "add a warning and you are goood to go with the ad" I understand that the web version already has such, and is not objected to.

regards Martin

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Few people have noted that the ad shows a schoolboy taking part, so it does imply youngsters should do it.

When interviewed they did point out that they only asked for the warning to be added but they had banned completely an MTV ad that encouraged people to make videos of themselves doing 'daring activities' like getting pulled along on a skateboard behind a car.

Neil

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 25/11/2016 10:49:12:

"but they had banned completely an MTV ad that encouraged people to make videos of themselves doing 'daring activities' like getting pulled along on a skateboard behind a car.

Hmm. Anyone else here used to hang onto buses while cycling as a lad?

Russell.

P.S. Legal note: I'm not encouraging the practise!

Edited By Russell Eberhardt on 25/11/2016 11:04:18

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Martin Kyte on 25/11/2016 08:45:30:

That's pretty much what I said Michael

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… but the answer to your [rhetorical] question is in the detail.

Yes, they did ban it [the ad in its current form]

No, they didn't "just ask" anything.

MichaelG.

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P.S. … The ruling is specific to a TV advert.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 25/11/2016 11:51:20

[MWParticipant @mw27036]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 24/11/2016 13:39:39:

Why are we safer today? It's not clear, but many different forces have been working in our favour, such as better food, medicine, products, policing, living conditions, health awareness and the closure of dangerous industries. Will it last? Probably not, what with 'post-truth politics', global warming, a looming food crisis, and natural resources running out.

That said, a very curious feature of my growing older is the increasing conviction that things were much better in the my youth, despite all evidence to the contrary. I strongly suspect today's youngsters are ignorant, incompetent, slack, lazy, drug addled criminals. They can't possibly be trusted in the workplace. Not only that but anything manufactured today is much inferior to the products of yesteryear. As this decline has been going on since the Romans, I've reluctantly concluded that the problem is likely to be me. Can anyone suggest a cure?

Ta,

Dave

I think you already have the cure my friend, disillusionment, although truth is always worth pursuing, we're stronger for realizing that there are gaps in our own awareness. I might have had alot of bad things happen to me, for example, but i try not to forget that there are good people still out there.

I'm 24 but dead keen on anything to do with engineering, it's exciting because i never know where it might lead next, so i guess not all young people just want to waste things, it's only me so far, but i'd take a good bet theres a fair few more of me somewhere, whats age these days anyway? I could be great friends with a 100yr old if i knew one!

Michael W

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I bet Frances Fukuyama is busy on a revised version of his masterwork…

[JAParticipant @ja]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 25/11/2016 21:32:47:

I bet Frances Fukuyama is busy on a revised version of his masterwork…

And I thought Fukuyama was a nuclear power station that blew up when its emergency generators were swamped by a Tsunami a few years ago.

I suppose this has something to do with cutting yourself on a baked bean can.

JA

[RobboParticipant @robbo]

Quote "

Hmm. Anyone else here used to hang onto buses while cycling as a lad?

Russell."

I thought that's what those rails on car roofs were for?

[Sam Longley 1Participant @samlongley1]

Posted by Robbo on 25/11/2016 23:13:20:

Quote "

Hmm. Anyone else here used to hang onto buses while cycling as a lad?

Russell."

I thought that's what those rails on car roofs were for?

That is dangerous. they are for parking the bike

[Sam Longley 1Participant @samlongley1]

Before I get a slap– How do i post that as a ***link""" ?

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