Finally got a proper lathe

[brickyParticipant @bricky]

My second lathe was an ML10 which was a solid machine and I made Sparey's collet set for it when I was making clocks. A very good lathe and I never had a problem with the dewherst switch nor with the S7 I bought which was already 30 years old when bought and is now 66 years old and that dewherst switch came with the lathe and never let me down.Enjoy a superb looking lathe.

Frank

[JAParticipant @ja]

Dell

It looks great. I thought about one when replacing my first lathe (a pre-war myford) many years ago. In the end I went with a refurbished S7.

You now have to do something positive with it, not just produce swarf.

JA

[DellParticipant @dell]

Collected lathe today, is it heavy or what but got it In it’s cubbyhole, need to level and bolt it down but had enough today, it’s a pain getting old ( or should that be older ), I think the cover is for a larger Myford, I was and am happy with the Pultra but lots of tools I want to make I can’t do on the Pultra.

Does everyone else have to login every time ?

Dell

[Douglas JohnstonParticipant @douglasjohnston98463]

These are wonderful machines, I have been using one for about thirty years and it is a joy to use provided you remember it is not designed for machining large stuff.

Doug

[BizibilderParticipant @bizibilder]

When you next login you should see a little "remember me" box just below your password box – click that to prevent having to login every time.

Nice lathe by the way, I had an ML10 about 25 years ago before going "Super 7". it was a really nice, capable little machine.

[Bob Unitt 1Participant @bobunitt1]

I thought the whole point of an NVR was to make sure the machine couldn't restart itself after a power cut ?

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Bob Unitt 1 on 12/02/2023 09:32:12:

I thought the whole point of an NVR was to make sure the machine couldn't restart itself after a power cut ?

For me, that feature is an added benefit. What I wanted when I bought one — cheap as chips on the net — was an on/off switch plus the large red emergency stop button. Seems the best and cheapest option available to get this is the very inexpensive NVRs that are everywhere because they have become the industrial standard. If I get a power cut in my one-man workshop, I can remember to switch the lathe off manually so don't really need an industrial NVR but that is the cheapest and easiest way to do it. And it is an added safety feature and that never hurts.

[DellParticipant @dell]

Purchased this collet chuck made by Myford but to take ER 25 collets, just need to get a semi decent set of collets, I know there are literally 100’s out there but for what I do ( clocks ) I can’t justify spending 100’s£ but I don’t want Chinese ones so if anyone has any suggestions it would be much appreciated, I know it’s possible to get Myford collets but they are one size collets whereas ER will hold in between size stock albeit not quite so accurately.

Dell

[noel shelleyParticipant @noelshelley55608]

The point of a NVR is it uses a relay that once set is self holding, an interuption of the supply of even a fraction of a second will cause it to release. When the supply is restored the NVR has to be reset – it wil not automaticlly re start. Whilst this is useful and could be considered a safety feature and is fairly inexpensive, industrial starters will also have an overload device built in as well – This prevents the motor from drawing to much current and failing. A fuse will NOT offer protection due to the high starting surge. The Full load current is stated on the motor data plate and the overload device will have a load rating eg 2-4A or 4-8A and between these figures an adjuster to set the presise value ie 5.1A . Terms like contactor, and direct on line starter(DOL) may be come across.

For most of us the first we know of a motor fault will be the escape of magic smoke ! A NVR will do nothing to help avoid this. Noel.

[JAParticipant @ja]

Dell

I have and use both types of collets. As you say the old Myford type are for set sizes while the ER 25 are more versatile. The Myford type does have the advantage of being able to hold short lengths of bar.

I prefer the ER type since I suspect the Myford type suffers from wear. I think the latter is no longer being made.

I am sorry that your posting has been hijacked by a Dewhurst/NVR debate. It is to be expected.

JA

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

I used a Speed 10, which is very much a lightly-updated ML10, for 15 years.

In the depth of my ignorance and sin I always used the Dewhurst switch for on/off and change direction.

There was never any bother at all.

The spindle bore on the ML10 is not a vast improvment on your old machine.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Wrong quote

 

Edited By Robert Atkinson 2 on 12/02/2023 18:35:22

[Peter Cook 6Participant @petercook6]

Posted by Dell on 12/02/2023 14:38:44:

Purchased this collet chuck made by Myford but to take ER 25 collets, just need to get a semi decent set of collets, I know there are literally 100’s out there but for what I do ( clocks ) I can’t justify spending 100’s£ but I don’t want Chinese ones so if anyone has any suggestions it would be much appreciated,

I can't speak for ER25 – I only use the set I have in Stevenson blocks for work holding. However I have bought ER16 collets from both ARC and CTC tools. My ARC set are quoted as 0.008mm but I only got the standard (0.0015 ) tolerance set from CTC tools, but both sets work well and are more accurate than the specs.

I suspect both sets are Chinese (the CTC ones certainly are) , but I would have no quibble with either set. CTC quote their imperial ER25 set as 0.0006" Run-Out Tolerance, and do more precise ones in metric quoting 0.008mm (0.0003"  ).

One trick I have used is when trying to hold short lengths of material, is to put a same sized bar in the back of the collet. I often use a suitable drill shank.

Edited to remove random smiley!!

Edited By Peter Cook 6 on 12/02/2023 18:37:41

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Posted by Dell on 12/02/2023 14:38:44:

Purchased this collet chuck made by Myford but to take ER 25 collets, just need to get a semi decent set of collets, I know there are literally 100’s out there but for what I do ( clocks ) I can’t justify spending 100’s£ but I don’t want Chinese ones so if anyone has any suggestions it would be much appreciated, I know it’s possible to get Myford collets but they are one size collets whereas ER will hold in between size stock albeit not quite so accurately.

Dell

Well that explains why a item I was watching suddenly sold out….

Edited By Robert Atkinson 2 on 12/02/2023 18:38:00

[bernard towersParticipant @bernardtowers37738]

I have the identical chuck bought about a year ago and is a revelation compared to my previous one and as far as accuracy is concerned its a damned site better than I am!

[DellParticipant @dell]

Posted by bernard towers on 12/02/2023 18:55:20:

I have the identical chuck bought about a year ago and is a revelation compared to my previous one and as far as accuracy is concerned its a damned site better than I am!

That’s good to know Bernard thanks

sorry Robert I mentioned it to a friend as well and he bought the last one.

someone on another forum mentioned apt they have a set quoting maximum run out of 0.005mm for £80 odd so that seems a good deal because cutwell are saying £185 quoting same.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

ER (Extended Range ) collets are useful since one collet can hold Metric or Imperial items of that nominal size.

Concentricity is improved by tightening as much as possible.

Fixed size collets can be damaged if used to grip anything other than the proper size. ER are more flexible, being slit from both ends. Although one size Direct in the Spindle collets can be useful especially in the Mill, if headroom is tight.

I use ER25 most of the time, very occasionally ER32 for a few larger sizes, and ER20 to hold drills for four facet grinding on the cutter grinder.

Made holders for use on a sliding Tailstock Tap holder, and for square and hexagon bases on the mill (About the same time that John Stevenson launched his! )

Howard

[DellParticipant @dell]

Received the ER 25 collet chuck checked runout just short 1 thou , tangential tool holders finally arrived from Australia , just waiting for Multifix from PeWe tools now , the QCTP that is on it is next to useless, can’t get the tool on centre although I probably would with 6mm tooling .

Dell

[DellParticipant @dell]

Not sure I got the runout correct I said the collet chuck had just short of 1 thou runout ( above ) but that was using my verdict gauge and I just noticed that my other gauge was 1 thou increments and I thought the verdict was the same but it’s not it is 0.0005” I think that’s 1/2 thou if so the runout is just less than 1/2 thou.

please correct me if I am wrong.

Dell

[bobchaParticipant @bobcha]

Myfords are not real lathes they are toys, he said donning an hard hat and running for cover.

[BazParticipant @baz89810]

Here we go again, the usual Myfords are not real lathes, so bobcha, what do you call a real lathe, just so we all know what to buy.

[JAParticipant @ja]

Posted by bobcha on 18/02/2023 16:35:49:

Myfords are not real lathes they are toys, he said donning an hard hat and running for cover.

He has a 30in Dean, Smith and Grace. And he makes bits for watches with it.

JA

I have just looked at his past postings. He has, or had, an ML10.

Edited By JA on 18/02/2023 18:50:56

[DellParticipant @dell]

bobcha

its a real lathe to me anyway it’s the biggest I can get in my 6’X6’ cubbyhole and I hopefully will be able to do more on it than on my Pultra although I am sad to see the Pultra go but I don’t have room for both.

Dell

[BazParticipant @baz89810]

Dell, that is a beautiful lathe you have got, you will certainly do more on it than you could on a Pultra and lots of accessories available including a milling attachment, ideal for your confined space. On the plus side at 6 x 6 it won’t cost you a lot to heat this winter.👍

[DellParticipant @dell]

Posted by Baz on 18/02/2023 20:59:44:

Dell, that is a beautiful lathe you have got, you will certainly do more on it than you could on a Pultra and lots of accessories available including a milling attachment, ideal for your confined space. On the plus side at 6 x 6 it won’t cost you a lot to heat this winter.👍

I have been spending money like water, Multifix coming from PeWe tools ( same as I had on my Pultra) , Newton-Tesla motor and inverter kit, as I wanted some way to stop it in an emergency it seemed silly to pay for that as I was going to upgrade to variable speed later anyway, Genuine Myford swivel milling slide for £75, both fixed and travelling steady for £110 didn’t need them straight away but as I got both for less than cost of a travelling steady I couldn’t turn it down, so getting there slowly.

Dell

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