Emco Dividing Head Questions

[mgnbukParticipant @mgnbuk]

Sorry for mis-leading you.

No problem, Gray – I thought it must have been me when I couldn’t find anything.

Not the easiest of sites to get around, with many listings not showing a picture – just a description / part number.

Best wishes,

Nigel B.

[Colin CreedParticipant @colincreed93792]

Hi Nigel B @mgnbuk & Thor @Thor,

 

I just did a check out of curiosity & it’s listed there.

https://www.emco.or.at/index.php/zubehoer/compact-5

HTH, Colin

[Thor 🇳🇴Participant @thor]

Hi Colin,

You did better than I managed, I just used the bookmark I made years ago when I ordered some spare parts for my C8 – https://www.emcoshop.at. You managed to find another URL – https://www.emco.or.at.

Thor

[mgnbukParticipant @mgnbuk]

Hi Colin,

The link you gave does show the indexer, but it can’t be expanded to give more details about it or ordered. It seems to be more of a listing of the accessory options that were originally available, not what is currently on sale. Putting the indexer part number 200 330 into the search function of the “Emco Online-Shop” link doesn’t bring the indexer up.

Regards,

Nigel B.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Looking back at the old flyer and 1984 pricelist that I have the Dividing attachment wa snot a bad buy at £31 when you compare it with an 80mm 3-jaw at £115.

Centre spread is the dividing head being used by Hananno Prettner and Gerald Wingrove also geta a look in.

[Graham MeekParticipant @grahammeek88282]

Hi Colin,

The page shown is taken from the sales leaflet. If you go to “On-line Shop” at the top of the link this will redirect you to the home page. Select “Spares and Accessories” followed by Machine from the drop down list.

Not all pictures are shown for each item, but if you open a particular item and then go “details” this usually gives the part number.

Hope this helps,

Regards

Gray,

[Colin CreedParticipant @colincreed93792]

Thanks to everyone for your input & responses.

 

regards Colin

[Graham MeekParticipant @grahammeek88282]

I did mention earlier that I thought it would be possible to adapt the Emco 40:1 Dividing attachment design to fit the Proxxon TA 250 Indexing attachment.

After a few emails with Colin and his kindness in supplying me with the measurements I needed. It was possible to see if it would be feasible. I can say that the Emco unit will fit this Indexer with only minor modifications to my original design.

A longer Worm shaft and Eccentric bush are the only two items needing major alteration. While the repositioning of the M6 mounting holes will simplify things, (see below).To marry the two units together does require an 8mm thick Adaptor plate and a Coupling piece to replace the Proxxon Index wheel.

The Emco attachment can be made to fit in two different positions and will thereby still give the original varied Proxxon mounting positions in the Horizontal Plane.

The above drawing shows quite clearly the extended shaft and bush.

 

Regards

Gray,

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Another stroke of genius, Gray

MichaelG.

[Graham MeekParticipant @grahammeek88282]

Hi Michael,

I thank you for the accolade, but I feel there are many others more worthy of such a title.

Regards

Gray,

 

 

 

 

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Given some of the unpleasantness going-on elsewhere on the forum, Gray … I thought it would do no harm to speak my mind.

MichaelG.

[Neil LickfoldParticipant @neillickfold44316]

Hi Colin,

Machinery house (Hare Forbes) in Australia have the Vertex range. The smallest is the HV4. The dividing plates are an accessory but are listed below the unit. I have a Vertex table and very happy with it. Link to Machinery House NZ but I’m sure they have the same stock over there.  https://www.machineryhouse.co.nz/r005      It will be cheaper in Aussie than NZ too.

Thanks to your pictures, I have been able to identify the small table i got a couple of years ago. It’s a great small table. Mine came from the Trademe NZ auction site. Sometimes Emco stuff and Sherline stuff shows up once in awhile.

Neil

[Colin CreedParticipant @colincreed93792]

Hi Neil,

Thanks for your link & I appreciate the recommendation of the Vertex unit at Machinery House (H&F).

regards Colin

 

[Colin CreedParticipant @colincreed93792]

It was my original intent to avoid a long drawn out explanation as to the “where, what & why” but based on the various postings, it seems I’ll have to explain things in greater detail…

 

I deliberately bought the Proxxon stuff because it’s readily available here within Australia, unlike Sherline stuff.

Chinese made Sieg stuff is also readily available & far cheaper but the internet is littered with various “problems” associated with these & other similar made brands…

I wanted to “make my own projects” out of the box rather than buy equipment for IT to become the project…

My skillsets are limited & I want to learn based on what I’ve done wrong (too fast speed or feed) rather than find out later it’s ALL been down to issues buying some cheap Chinese made equipment…my current life expectancy is too short.

And for the most part my choice of going with the Proxxon has proven itself to be worthwhile, as the various parts I make are within tolerance & my skills are getting better at doing it.

As part of that “planned” purchase, both my Lathe & Mill weigh under 20Kg each & can easily be lifted on or off a kitchen bench top…this being important as a pending “downsize” in home is happening within a few years.

As both the Lathe & Mill have the option of being combined together to become a “Machine Centre”, THAT was another key element for choosing these items…I have options designed to “work together” if needed.

Hopefully the above now sets the out the “where, what & why” for my original question about the UT 400…

 

The fact is I already have the Proxxon Rotary Table version UT 250 which is designed to accept the PD 250/E Lathe Chucks, Faceplate & Collet Holder, although it’s not been designed to accept any Dividing Plates

I also have the “now obsoleted” Proxxon TA 250 Dividing Attachment which Graham has already mentioned & has now designed his Emco 40:1 Worm Drive to suit.

Naively when I’d seen Graham’s modified Emco Dividing Attachment & just assumed it was similar to that of the existing Proxxon UT 400 Universal Dividing Head (old video lists it as UT 360)

My original plan was to do away with my existing two units & consolidate them by getting the UT 400 Universal Dividing Head as their ONE replacement…but like all “grand plans” there was a “slight problem”.

 

I’m sure many on the Forum posses the knowledge & ability to simply modify my Rotary Table to accept a set of Dividing Plates…unfortunately I don’t currently have that same skillset.

 

As the Proxxon stuff is designed to fit & utilise other components within its own range, my first plan was to establish “if” the UT 400 Universal Dividing Head was any good & accurate? (hence my original post)

However the UT 400 is designed for the larger Lathe PD 400 Chucks & Faceplate & “those” are dimensionally too large for the FF 230 Mill…the UT 400 WILL fit but doesn’t accept my smaller Chucks.

Again I’m sure there’s many who posses the insights & skillsets to simply modify or adapt the UT 400 to accept my smaller Chucks…but I’m currently not one of them.

 

I was reminded of that “slight problem” by one of Graham’s earlier posts where he mentions about the limitation of the FF 230 Mill “Y” axis depth & risk of mounted items hitting the Mill Column…

This effectively eliminated any benefits & the whole idea for getting the UT 400, which has now been abandoned.

Hopefully this helps explain things & the restraints I’m working within.

regards Colin

[Michael Gilligan]

On Michael Gilligan Said:

Given some of the unpleasantness going-on elsewhere on the forum, Gray … I thought it would do no harm to speak my mind.

MichaelG.

Hi Michael,

I take your point and it is very appropriate point given the current mood on the forum.

One thing I did not want to do was cause you offence by my post. I tried as hard as I could to pick the few words I used to achieve this end. You certainly did not offend me by your original post, in fact I was deeply humbled.

Unfortunately there are some on this forum who feel I am only on here for my self gratification. When all I have ever wanted to achieve is to pass on my skills and to help others. Those friends I have made through this forum will testify to this.

I am the guy who beavers around in the background, I do not crave or seek “stardom”. If I did then you would have seen me giving lectures at the Exhibitions. I have been asked on more than one occasion.

I just did not want them to have anymore ammunition, or to incite them into further tirades.

Like Colin above I prefer to make my equipment to suit my machines and if I can extend the range of my Miniature Machine Shop I will do it. If I think this equipment can be utilised to help others I usually make the design and post it.

Regards

Gray,

 

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