Ebayer refused to sell to me – on their avoid list

[Russ BParticipant @russb]

baaa, well I didn't read all this thread as it seemed to bend off on various tangents, but I use a significant amount of hose and pipe at work – I'm probably surrounded well over 1 km of pipe over 1" and up to 40", and many many more times that under an inch and I just thought I'd upset a few people tonight – firstly by using imperial measure rather than DN even though I'm a thoroughly metric (the american standard still dominates much of the pipe and tube industry because of the influence of gas and oil networks!)

 

so…

 

Pipe, is measured and ordered by OD, standard schedule pipe's have common OD's for fitting standard flanges and nylon/urethane pipe is sold in 6/8/10/12/16/20mm and they are referring to the OD because that is the critical dimension (for push fittings, olive type fittings etc) – fitting in to orifices using its external diameter means a theoretically step free transition give or take a little.

Tube, is a measured by ID for pushing on too a barb of some sort or similar application.

Mixing the two will result on much effort usually invloving welding of some sort or cups of boiling hot water and plenty of spit.

go on then you lot, start whinging………

hang on, I forgot Hose……. Hose isn't pipe or tube, and is usually somewhere in the middle if you ask me but typically, always measured by its ID – done.

Edited By Russ B on 23/01/2017 21:06:38

Edited By Russ B on 23/01/2017 21:09:15

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Russ B on 23/01/2017 21:05:29:

Pipe, is measured and ordered by OD, standard schedule pipe's have common OD's for fitting standard flanges and nylon/urethane pipe is sold in 6/8/10/12/16/20mm and they are referring to the OD because that is the critical dimension (for push fittings, olive type fittings etc) – fitting in to orifices using its external diameter means a theoretically step free transition give or take a little.

Tube, is a measured by ID for pushing on too a barb of some sort or similar application.

And what about hose?

[Russ BParticipant @russb]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 23/01/2017 21:09:36:

Posted by Russ B on 23/01/2017 21:05:29:

Pipe, is measured and ordered by OD, standard schedule pipe's have common OD's for fitting standard flanges and nylon/urethane pipe is sold in 6/8/10/12/16/20mm and they are referring to the OD because that is the critical dimension (for push fittings, olive type fittings etc) – fitting in to orifices using its external diameter means a theoretically step free transition give or take a little.

Tube, is a measured by ID for pushing on too a barb of some sort or similar application.

And what about hose?

I beat you to it

[John RuddParticipant @johnrudd16576]

To quote……

" l need some ' ose….."

"No….. Letter O's…..for Mon Repose…"……

Four candles anyone?…….

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Ajohnw on 23/01/2017 14:45:41:

I mentioned buying an 8mm air line that wasn't. < etc. >

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Russ,

Just for the sake of completeness [since I doubt there is any other valid reason] … How would you expect "air line" to be specified ?

That was the term that Ajohnw used in his opening post, but it doesn't feature in your comments.

MichaelG.

[peak4Participant @peak4]

La-Pla , my local hydraulic supplier has the following (or something very like it) pinned up behind the counter.;

1) All pipe is to be made of a long hole surrounded by metal or plastic centred around the hole.
2) All pipe is to be hollow throughout the entire length — do not use holes of different length to form the pipe.
3) The ID (Inside Diameter) of all pipe must not exceed the OD (Outside Diameter) — otherwise the hole will be on the outside.
4) All pipe is to be supplied with nothing in the hole, so that water, steam or other stuff can be put inside at a later date.
5) All pipe should be supplied without rust; this can be more readily applied at the job site. NOTE: Some vendors are now able to supply rust free pipes. If available in your area, this product is recommended, as it will save a great deal of time at the job site.
6) All pipe over 500 ft (150 m) in length should have the words "LONG PIPE" clearly painted on each side and end, so that the contractor knows it's a long pipe.
7) Pipe over 3 miles (3.3 km) in length must also have the words "LONG PIPE" painted in the middle, so the contractor will not have to walk the entire length of the pipe to determine whether or not it is a long pipe or a short pipe.
8) All pipe over 6 ft (1.83 m) in diameter must have the words "LARGE PIPE" painted on it, so the contractor will not mistake it for small pipe.
9) Flanges must be used on all pipe. Flanges must have holes for bolts, quite separate from the big hole in the middle.
10) When ordering 90 or 30 degree elbows, be sure to specify left-hand or right-hand, otherwise you will end up going the wrong way.
11) Be sure to specify to your vendor whether you want level, uphill or downhill pipe. If you use downhill pipes for going uphill, the water will flow the wrong way.
12) All couplings should have either right-hand or left-hand threads, but do not mix the threads otherwise, as the coupling is being screwed on one pipe, it is being unscrewed from the other.
13) All pipes shorter than 1/8 in (3 mm) are very uneconomical in use, requiring many joints. They are generally known as washers.
14) Joints in pipes for pumping water must be water-tight. Those joints in pipes for compressed air, however, need only be air-tight.
15) Lengths of pipes may be welded or soldered together. This method is not recommended for concrete or earthenware pipes.
16) Other commodities are often confused with pipes. These include: conduit, tube, tunnel and drain. Use only genuine pipes.
17) Scottish Regiments in the Army use Army pipes in unusual ways. These are not approved of in engineering circles.

I'll get me coat

Bye

Bill

[DodParticipant @dod]

Nice one Bill

[Russ BParticipant @russb]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 23/01/2017 21:32:26:

Posted by Ajohnw on 23/01/2017 14:45:41:

I mentioned buying an 8mm air line that wasn't. < etc. >

.

Russ,

Just for the sake of completeness [since I doubt there is any other valid reason] … How would you expect "air line" to be specified ?

That was the term that Ajohnw used in his opening post, but it doesn't feature in your comments.

MichaelG.

Air Lines!

I'm glad you asked, but I can't speak for all manufacturers…..

Basically, in the late 1940's Boeing assigned numbers to aircraft, 400's were military aircraft, 500 were turbines, 600 were missiles and 700 were passenger aircraft……..

 

Mon repose! ….'Os'! – not Hose, hoes, or panty hose, O's for me garden gate!!!!!! – 4 candles anyone?  sorry this has been covered already……..

 

Edited By Russ B on 23/01/2017 22:37:42

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Thanks Russ

That'll remind me not to ask serious questions once a thread has got out of hand.

MichaelG.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by peak4 on 23/01/2017 21:54:44:

La-Pla , my local hydraulic supplier has the following (or something very like it) pinned up behind the counter.;

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9) Flanges must be used on all pipe. Flanges must have holes for bolts, quite separate from the big hole in the middle…..

Bill

They forgot to specify that flanges are to be fitted only to the ends of pipes, not the middle.

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Maybe it would be better to talk about holes in the head? Loose screws are more interesting though.

John

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[Russ BParticipant @russb]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 23/01/2017 22:54:21:

Thanks Russ

That'll remind me not to ask serious questions once a thread has got out of hand.

MichaelG.

Michael, yep!

But if I had to give a sensible answer………… I would say its an application or category to put a hose, pipe or tube product in to – obviously many application have specific requirements so it makes sense to give it a name that better describes its intended use but it's still going to be either a hose, pipe or tube.

[Bodgit Fixit and RunParticipant @bodgitfixitandrun]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 23/01/2017 21:09:36:

Posted by Russ B on 23/01/2017 21:05:29:

And what about hose?

Didn't Robin Hood wear hose?

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

It looks like this item on epay. Could wrong, but likely as it fits the thread title.

Item no.120704378011

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

If it was they removed the 8mm almost immediately and then put it back.

I purposefully avoided mentioning the seller as all make mistakes at times. So if it was this one draw your own conclusions. I've made mine.

Just out of interest if some one does buy a recoil air line I would suggest both  this brand or at least this sort of listing.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCL-Air-Line-Coil-AL10-/301568036129?hash=item4636db0d21:g:YjQAAOSwv0tVCuWe

It tells people exactly what they want to know when air flows though a pipe. That's why they are often listed that way but unfortunately not always on ebay. Just stating 1/4bsp gives a clue but it looks like that may be 5mm bore.

John

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Edited By Ajohnw on 24/01/2017 11:21:04

Edited By Ajohnw on 24/01/2017 11:34:19

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

I doubt the seller was at fault, so undeserving of negative feedback – as I see it.

I would buy from them, but would check out the spec, if at all unsure, first (probably like most sensible potential buyers would).

If you are now whinging about them declining to supply you with further items, I can't really blame them. They can obviously do without your business and retain their high feedback score (which may well be justified – I just looked at all the few negatives). They do seem to try to be helpful whenever a problem arises.

[steveteeParticipant @stevetee]

I f I had sold something in good faith on Ebay and someone left me negative feedback I would be extremely dissappointed . Every seller always says something like ,' If you have a problem with an itenm , contact us first before leaving negative feedback'. you didn't do this and so left the seller negative feedback without giving him the option of resolving the issue. This is effectively vindictive, like getting in a fight before letting the bloke who spilt your pint apologise and offer to buy you another one.

There is a reason for feedback, if there are 50 sellers of an item, fuel hose , widgets or whatever, then not every seller can be at the top of the first page obviously. The sellers with good feedback get to be at the top of the first page and sellers with worse feedback end up on page 9 where no one ever sees their item. Negative feedback should only be left really for Rip offs or other serious reasons , not because you don't like an item or it's not quite what you expected. Your feedback could have really serious effects on the seller.

If I was selling coily airlines with brass ends and one was 8mm dia and one was 10mm dia , I would describe them as such rather than cut one in half and say 'well it has a 5.9mm bore , but its only 5.5mm where it passes through the brass fitting'. No, there it is on the shelf one is yellow and 8mm and one is blue and 10mm and that is what you get.

It's hardly any wonder he doesn't want to have anything to do with you is it?

Edited By stevetee on 24/01/2017 12:50:05

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