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  • #328163
    Anonymous

      I received the lastest copy of Model Engineer in the post today. I see that a new series is starting on using the lathe for beginners. Does this mean competition between ME and MEW? Are the respective authors going to slog it out in the ring, two falls, two submissions or a knockout deciding the winner?

      The ME article is illustrated using a Myford. So are the competing series going head to head on old iron versus new far eastern?

      On a slightly more serious note, since I take both magazines, it means that more pages overall are not really of interest. So if I drop one which one should I choose? disgust

      Andrew

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      Anonymous
        #328221
        Brian Wood
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          @brianwood45127

          Hello Andrew,

          "So, if I drop one, which one should I choose"

          For one who is usually so decisive I find that a curious question to ask and rather difficult to answer. I take MEW exclusively having dropped ME many years ago when I finally appreciated that my interests did not lie with model steam locomotives.

          Only you can decide really but if I may suggest, taking account of the scale of equipment you have in your workshop, I think the choice is obvious. Tornado beware!

          Regards Brian

          #328225
          IanT
          Participant
            @iant

            I've taken three "ME" magazines over the years but have been thinking recently that the 'other' (third) one seems to have gone down hill a fair bit (since its change of ownership?). Nice large photos of rallies and models , all very nice but not essential reading (for me at least) – but not so much in the way of new designs and good technical articles. Compared with ME and MEW I think it is the weaker of the three and may get dropped from my subscription list come the New Year….

            Regards,

            IanT

            #328247
            richard 2
            Participant
              @richard2

              I have not renewed my sub to ME as seems to have no interest for me.

              I would have thought that the lathe series should be in MEW. Also a beginner is unlikely to have the funds to buy a Myford but could probably afford at least a second-hand asian in good condition and may well have chucks, etc.

              How about a short/long series about building a coal-fired vertical boiler with a horizontal engine about 25mm-30mm bore rather than repeating articles which are available in EIM? I would then sub to ME.

              I agree with IanT about reports on rallies and photos of engines – most of which are available on the internet

              There is a series about building an oscillating engine and simple boiler in MIW so it would be nice to have a design for something that requires some workshop skills to build.

              What do others think on these points?

              richard 2.

              #328257
              Neil Wyatt
              Moderator
                @neilwyatt

                For clarity, the two series are not duplicates, they are totally independent and although they address the same basic subject matter I'm sure they will be as different as any two series by different authors on a similar topic.

                Both ME and MEW have had a lot of feedback requesting more content for beginners, and new blood is important for the future health of the hobby – without new recruits no new articles and ideas, no mags, no shows and ultimately no specialised dealers.

                I think the overlap of readership between ME and MEW is less than 20% – one reason why many advertisers appear in both magazines!

                As editor I never expect every article to be of interest to every reader, I just try and get enough variety to make sure every reader will find a few things really interesting and most of the rest engaging enough to feel like a good, worthwhile read. ME takes a similar approach but clearly aims for a slightly different audience.

                Don't forget we added eight pages of editorial to MEW a couple of years ago so even with four pages of a beginner article you still get more than you used to*.

                Neil

                *Which is one reason why I am always on the look out for new authors and good articles so I can keep the variety in the magazine.

                #328267
                SillyOldDuffer
                Moderator
                  @sillyoldduffer

                  Standards have slipped since the good old days! For Two shillings and sixpence the MAP editorial team in 1966 consisted of:

                  • D J Laidlaw-Dickenson (Editorial Director)
                  • Vic Smeed (Managing Editor)
                  • Martin Evans (Editor, previously Technical Editor)
                  • Edgar T Westbury (Technical Consultant)
                  • W J (Bill) Hughes (Technical Consultant)

                  And they still made mistakes!

                  I don't mind the odd overlapping articles – comparing similar material often helps me understand the subject better.

                  Dave

                  #328271
                  Bodger Brian
                  Participant
                    @bodgerbrian
                    Posted by IanT on 21/11/2017 09:31:12:

                    I've taken three "ME" magazines over the years but have been thinking recently that the 'other' (third) one seems to have gone down hill a fair bit (since its change of ownership?).

                    I've never come across a 'third' magazine. What is it? Why the reluctance to name it?

                    It's a similar situation where people refer to 'fleabay' or 'that well-known auction site'. Why not just come out with it's proper name?

                    Very strange….

                    Brian

                    #328273
                    Brian Wood
                    Participant
                      @brianwood45127

                      Engineering in Miniature comes to mind

                      #328296
                      Neil Wyatt
                      Moderator
                        @neilwyatt
                        Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 21/11/2017 13:32:17:

                        Standards have slipped since the good old days! For Two shillings and sixpence the MAP editorial team in 1966 consisted of:

                        • D J Laidlaw-Dickenson (Editorial Director)
                        • Vic Smeed (Managing Editor)
                        • Martin Evans (Editor, previously Technical Editor)
                        • Edgar T Westbury (Technical Consultant)
                        • W J (Bill) Hughes (Technical Consultant)

                        And they still made mistakes!

                        I don't mind the odd overlapping articles – comparing similar material often helps me understand the subject better.

                        Dave

                        Fine if you want to pay £20 an issue…

                        #328312
                        SillyOldDuffer
                        Moderator
                          @sillyoldduffer
                          Posted by Neil Wyatt on 21/11/2017 16:03:11:

                          Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 21/11/2017 13:32:17:

                          Standards have slipped since the good old days! For Two shillings and sixpence the MAP editorial team in 1966 consisted of:

                          • D J Laidlaw-Dickenson (Editorial Director)
                          • Vic Smeed (Managing Editor)
                          • Martin Evans (Editor, previously Technical Editor)
                          • Edgar T Westbury (Technical Consultant)
                          • W J (Bill) Hughes (Technical Consultant)

                          And they still made mistakes!

                          I don't mind the odd overlapping articles – comparing similar material often helps me understand the subject better.

                          Dave

                          Fine if you want to pay £20 an issue…

                          Is it true you Edit MEW part-time on your own Neil, and that Diane / Martin are 'it' for Model Engineering? If so productivity has clearly improved! Also, is Martin Evans in 2017 the same Martin Evans as the 1966 editor?

                          I'd willingly pay £20 per issue if it was delivered by a nubile maiden, remarkably perverse. On second thoughts better not, these days beer is best…

                          Dave

                          #328316
                          duncan webster 1
                          Participant
                            @duncanwebster1
                            Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 21/11/2017 17:07:14:

                            ..

                            Is it true you Edit MEW part-time on your own Neil, and that Diane / Martin are 'it' for Model Engineering? If so productivity has clearly improved! Also, is Martin Evans in 2017 the same Martin Evans as the 1966 editor?

                            I'd willingly pay £20 per issue if it was delivered by a nubile maiden, remarkably perverse. On second thoughts better not, these days beer is best…

                            Dave

                            Only if they've got a ouija board, the 1966 Martin Evans passed away some years ago. Diane and Neil can only print what they have submitted to them. I've noticed a marked reduction in club members who make their own locos over the past years, the first wave of MEs are now shuffling off this mortal coil and so there are lots of decent locos for sale. Wouldn't suit me but there you go.

                            #328323
                            SillyOldDuffer
                            Moderator
                              @sillyoldduffer
                              Posted by duncan webster on 21/11/2017 17:26:06:

                              Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 21/11/2017 17:07:14:

                              ..

                              Only if they've got a ouija board … the first wave of MEs are now shuffling off this mortal coil … Wouldn't suit me but there you go.

                              Shuffling off this mortal coil wouldn't suit me either – I'm hoping to be a nuisance on the forum for ages before I go.

                              Building a Workshop Ouija Board for getting the advice of Engineers gone to a better place is a brilliant idea – those old guys really knew their stuff. Wiring an Arduino to some ectoplasm would do the trick. No problem getting the parts – you can buy anything on ebay these days…

                              Dave

                              #328327
                              V8Eng
                              Participant
                                @v8eng

                                Building a Workshop Ouija Board for getting the advice of Engineers gone to a better place is a brilliant idea – those old guys really knew their stuff. Wiring an Arduino to some ectoplasm would do the trick. No problem getting the parts – you can buy anything on ebay these days…

                                Dave

                                Well, Ectoplasm is about £9.99 a bottle on Ebay.wink

                                **LINK**

                                I'll leave the wiring to others!devil

                                #328333
                                Neil Wyatt
                                Moderator
                                  @neilwyatt
                                  Posted by V8Eng on 21/11/2017 17:59:18:

                                  Building a Workshop Ouija Board for getting the advice of Engineers gone to a better place is a brilliant idea – those old guys really knew their stuff. Wiring an Arduino to some ectoplasm would do the trick. No problem getting the parts – you can buy anything on ebay these days…

                                  Dave

                                  Well, Ectoplasm is about £9.99 a bottle on Ebay.wink

                                  **LINK**

                                  Looks like a load of carp to me…

                                  #328336
                                  MW
                                  Participant
                                    @mw27036
                                    Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 21/11/2017 17:47:00:

                                    Building a Workshop Ouija Board for getting the advice of Engineers gone to a better place is a brilliant idea – those old guys really knew their stuff. Wiring an Arduino to some ectoplasm would do the trick. No problem getting the parts – you can buy anything on ebay these days…

                                    Dave

                                    I wager JasonB already has, no wonder he could make so many engines. wink

                                    Michael W

                                    #328341
                                    V8Eng
                                    Participant
                                      @v8eng
                                      Posted by Neil Wyatt on 21/11/2017 18:25:42:

                                      Posted by V8Eng on 21/11/2017 17:59:18:

                                       

                                      Building a Workshop Ouija Board for getting the advice of Engineers gone to a better place is a brilliant idea – those old guys really knew their stuff. Wiring an Arduino to some ectoplasm would do the trick. No problem getting the parts – you can buy anything on ebay these days…

                                      Dave

                                       

                                      Well, Ectoplasm is about £9.99 a bottle on Ebay.wink

                                      **LINK**

                                      Looks like a load of carp to me…

                                      Might have to put it on a 'Perch', the passed on ones probably find getting down to ground level none too easy

                                       

                                       

                                      Edited By V8Eng on 21/11/2017 19:15:13

                                      #328348
                                      SillyOldDuffer
                                      Moderator
                                        @sillyoldduffer

                                        I can imagine me expensively building an Ouija Board to talk to Brunel and it only receiving the opinions of a recently deceased fish-finger.

                                        #328356
                                        Simon Collier
                                        Participant
                                          @simoncollier74340

                                          I have dropped EIM as they don't bother to remind me that my subscription is ending so it runs out. This time I am not renewing as it has gone downhill also. I am delighted to see Graham Meek's article on the ML-7 screwcutting clutch in MEW as he usually publishes his excellent stuff in EIM.

                                          Every time I get annoyed with magazine content I remind myself that the editors can only publish what they get. I have no interest in 3D printing, CNC machining, and get very annoyed with articles on irrelevant stuff like workshop storage or lighting. But interests change too. I used to hate the dominance of articles on Myford lathes and accessories, thinking them to be over-priced, under-performing, obsolete little machines. Now I have an ML-7, as it fell into my lap for peanuts, I have gone back through the magazines and read everything on them. I'd hate to actually have to use it as my lathe though.

                                          I think beginners would do better with books, u-tube and assistance from friends/club members, and I am surprised Neil gets many requests for these articles.

                                          #328362
                                          Neil Wyatt
                                          Moderator
                                            @neilwyatt
                                            Posted by Simon Collier on 21/11/2017 20:23:50:

                                            I think beginners would do better with books, u-tube and assistance from friends/club members, and I am surprised Neil gets many requests for these articles.

                                            The best books are rather out of date (Sparey's is a good example). You Tube is fine when you have the right video for what you want to do, but even with the help of google finding the exact thing you want can be hit and miss at the best of times. As for friends and clubs, most new recruits are lone hands and some feel intimidated by clubs, especially if they have no interest in locos.

                                            Magazines and forums seem to be the preferred source of information for most new recruits; I suspect the fact we offer both, linked together, is one reason why ME and MEW are still hale and hearty.

                                            Neil

                                            #328457
                                            martin ranson 2
                                            Participant
                                              @martinranson2

                                              To Neil Wyatt please … WOW !!! MAP from Model Aeronautical Press Ltd , 38 Clarendon Road , Watford , Herts … that was a long time ago … Vic Smeed was also the editor of another magazine called MODEL MAKER in the 1960`s I believe … that time was definitely BC … before colour pages ( apart from the cover ) and before computers.

                                              Just looking at this thread in particular, please can you tell me why so many parts of the contributions show up in duplicate or even in triplicate ? Is it inevitable when one computer system talks to another ? Or do others prefer to have the same words repeated within the same thread ?

                                              martin

                                              #328463
                                              Bodger Brian
                                              Participant
                                                @bodgerbrian
                                                Posted by Brian Wood on 21/11/2017 13:58:47:

                                                Engineering in Miniature comes to mind

                                                Thanks. Now I have a title, I do recall seeing it in the past.

                                                Brian

                                                #328471
                                                Neil Wyatt
                                                Moderator
                                                  @neilwyatt
                                                  Posted by martin ranson 2 on 22/11/2017 13:17:03:

                                                  Just looking at this thread in particular, please can you tell me why so many parts of the contributions show up in duplicate or even in triplicate ? Is it inevitable when one computer system talks to another ? Or do others prefer to have the same words repeated within the same thread ?

                                                  Because some people 'quote' a comment they are replying too. Sometimes without deleting irrelevant parts.

                                                  Neil

                                                  #328500
                                                  larry Phelan
                                                  Participant
                                                    @larryphelan54019

                                                    As Neil say,s most new members,like myself,are lone hands,and if we have no interest in building locos,they are even more so,as far as clubs are concerned. This showed up a few times on this forum.As far as I know,there are no clubs in this part of the world,but even if there were,I doubt if too many members would be interested in building model locos.We tend to regard locos as things for pulling trains,full stop ! At the same time,I have great respect for those people who can build these models,for which I have neither the skill nor the interest. Their workmanship is top class. It,s just not my thing,nor many others,it would appear.

                                                    My interest is in learning as much as I can in the time I have left,regarding machining skills for lathe/mill. Looking at the questions on this forum,I am not alone ! For us,CNC 3D Printing ect is way down the line,so I just pass by that stuff,for now. Even DRO,s are not on my "must have"

                                                    Should I just crawl away and hide ?

                                                    #328514
                                                    Old School
                                                    Participant
                                                      @oldschool

                                                      Harry plenty of us out here with similar views although DROs have made it onto my milling machine. No need to crawl away and hide even if you do someone will track you down in my case SMEE who asked me to be a speaker at one of thier meetings.

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