drilling mounting holes in mill engine bearing casting

[anderalexParticipant @anderalex]

I am making the Kennions Tina steam engine and im struggling with the bearings. I have the build notes by Stan Bray and they go into a lot of detail boring the hole for the crankshaft but when it comes to the mounting holes there is very little info.

the drawings state to ream the bearings when they are bolted to the base casting but the write up shows they are bored to size then bolted on.so ,how do i drill the 2 mounting holes so the crank hole is in the center. as there is such little info in the jam packed full of detail write up i feel im missing something very simple. the bored hole is 3/8 and the holes are 1 1/4 either side of center.

i have a wm 14 with a 3 axis dro.

thanks for looking

[anderalexParticipant @anderalex]

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I would clean up the bottom face first.

Then hold in the vice on some packing and machine the top face, then locate ctr and do the two stud holes for the cap and the two mounting holes in the feet

The caps can then be held joint upwards in the vice so the joint face can me milled and clearance holes drilled.

You can now screw the two together for boring which I would do by setting the foot of the pedestal against the vice fixed jaw that way both holes will be the same height if you don't disturb the Y axis.

Personally I would finish bore or ream depending on size on the mill not once assembled. In all cases with gun metal use sharp tools and

 

Edited By JasonB on 28/01/2022 07:57:15

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi Anderalex, I have just had a read of Stan Bray's article and you can just follow his method of boring the crank shaft bearings or do them the way JasonB has shown. As far as drilling the holes for the caps, I doubt they are critical as long as they don't pretrude into the bores or are too close to the outside edges and can probably be positioned by eye and the tapping size holes could be drilled through the caps and into the bases before separating in Stan Bray's method and then opening the cap holes for the bolt diameters, or by following JasonB's method, but it would be prudent to put identification marks on the caps and bases for pairing them up and orientation. As far as the bolting down holes Stan says they need to be done by careful measuring as it seems impractical for setting up and marking through the base holes, but you may be able to devise a method of your own.

Regards Nick.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

With regards to the holes in the feet if while you have the casting upside down to flatten the bottom you also take a light cleaning up cut off either end you then then have two points of reference and can locate their centre and set everything else out from that. If you look at that image I posted I'm using one end of the "foot" against a stop so that I only have to find the ctr once and then just swap the two pedestals over.

The same stop can be used for the second ops on my list and the boring of the bearing so everything is located equally either side of ctr.

I have not read Stan's build but at the time he was writing many would not have had a mill in the workshop let alone one with a DRO so some of his methods are a bit dated now.

These days I would clamp the bed casting down to the mill table, clock it true and establish my datum. Then mill the various bosses flat before drilling the holes for cylinder, cross head guides and bearing mountings all in one setting using the DRO to position them. Its going to be more accurate than marking out, picking up punch marks and spotting through from other items. I would then expect each item to screw on with little chance of not lining up.

Edited By JasonB on 28/01/2022 13:20:42

[Chris GunnParticipant @chrisgunn36534]

What Jason says, but bear in mind you should drill clearance holes in the castings to bolt down the bearing blocks, and this will give a little wriggle room to align the bearings.

Chris Gunn

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, I do agree with JasonB and would probably do it the same way or in a similar fashion, it's just a matter of using a technique that one is happy with and there are always different approaches to any job.

I very often got confused by what I called long winded ways of doing jobs, by people I used to work with, but they got the job done, albeit taking a little longer or with more effort, which is not good when the production manager is breathing down your neck, but our hobby is our own time.

Regards Nick.

[anderalexParticipant @anderalex]

Thats brilliant, thank you very much everyone.

Im pretty sure i am over thinking it.

Thanks for the pictures JasonB. Some very welcome suggestions. this is my first attempt at a model steam engine with castings. i have made the steves workshop oscilating engine. i think i need to join a club.

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