Did we go to the moon in 1969

[speelwerkParticipant @speelwerk]

Best is to send Trump with a Russian rocket to the moon so he can check for himself if its fake or not. Niko.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 27/05/2017 00:32:45:

Of course we didn't go to the moon – it was Elvis in a London Bus, the Earth is flat, the Royal family are really reptiles…

I suppose people are just trying to put their finger on what the difference must be between a royal family and any other family.

[damianParticipant @damiannoble34800]

Already posted but The Lunar reconnaissance Orbiter shots on this page make it pretty convincing for me

**LINK**

 

 

Edited By damian noble on 27/05/2017 14:18:02

[MWParticipant @mw27036]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 27/05/2017 10:47:06:

Posted by Clive Hartland on 27/05/2017 08:46:32:

Remember the Ruski's also sent a rover there. Never did hear or see much about it though.

Their rovers were very successful, but they just didn't get the publicity for some reason…

Probably being in a soviet bloc, with a very tight control on information wouldn't have done themselves a world of favours I think.

Another setback for them would be that America was more or less (barring the tariffs) a "free trade" style nation and have a surplus of small and medium sized businesses as well as bigger ones who could make the components they needed. 

The one good thing about the Russian centralized government was that they could mobilize labour and money to where a new project would be needed, this was great for their space program to begin with because it was able to grow quite quickly without the need to answer to anybody. But in the long run, despite being further ahead in terms of understanding, their lack of flexibility in other areas of government also had a knock on effect to their space program. 

Michael W 

 

Edited By Michael-w on 27/05/2017 15:01:32

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by blowlamp on 27/05/2017 12:52:43:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 27/05/2017 00:32:45:

Of course we didn't go to the moon – it was Elvis in a London Bus, the Earth is flat, the Royal family are really reptiles…

I suppose people are just trying to put their finger on what the difference must be between a royal family and any other family.

http://www.davidicke.com/category/271/reptilian-agenda

Perhaps the poor fellow saw 'V' and thought it was a documentary…

N.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 27/05/2017 15:09:55:

Posted by blowlamp on 27/05/2017 12:52:43:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 27/05/2017 00:32:45:

Of course we didn't go to the moon – it was Elvis in a London Bus, the Earth is flat, the Royal family are really reptiles…

I suppose people are just trying to put their finger on what the difference must be between a royal family and any other family.

http://www.davidicke.com/category/271/reptilian-agenda

Perhaps the poor fellow saw 'V' and thought it was a documentary…

N.

Quite possible, but so much is down to perception. He sees them as lizards whilst others see them as something great and to be revered. Both extremes as far as I'm concerned.

[Steven GreenhoughParticipant @stevengreenhough56335]

Wby reptiles though? Why would alien travelling salesmen be reptiles? Why not marsupials or molluscs or cheesecake or queen anne table legs?
The sad bit is this stuff is peddled in the main by folk who do not truly believe it, but who make a pretty penny out of those who do…

We have been to the moon. If you can’t grasp the difference between ‘difficult’ and ‘impossible’ then that’s your problem…

[Phil WhitleyParticipant @philwhitley94135]

I think the moon landings were real, but it is possible that some of the photos were faked afterwards to cover up for the poor results they got on the actual mission. It was however a collosal waste of time and money, as human beings cannot exist on any planet that does not have an electromagnetic cloud around it to sheild us from cosmic radiation, we would be cooked to the bone very quickly, so forget mars,is's all hype!

[Steven GreenhoughParticipant @stevengreenhough56335]

But how many places and resources have we found when looking for somewhere/thing else? How much of what we have was actually the product of a different initial requirement? Saying such things are a waste of time and money just because we havent seen ‘results’ inside of half a decade isn’t really fair when you consider that at some point our existence will have to come down to something greater than the balance sheet.

[MWParticipant @mw27036]

Posted by Steven Greenhough on 27/05/2017 17:30:20:
But how many places and resources have we found when looking for somewhere/thing else? How much of what we have was actually the product of a different initial requirement? Saying such things are a waste of time and money just because we havent seen 'results' inside of half a decade isn't really fair when you consider that at some point our existence will have to come down to something greater than the balance sheet.

Never mind the resources though, the distances involved are beyond what we think of as far away. To accommodate earth on a drawing, to scale, would need an immense* piece of paper to include pluto. We simply don't know of, or have a form of propulsion that could take us to where we could carry out a meaningful search.

* Bill Bryson – 

‘On a diagram of the solar system to scale, with Earth reduced to about the diameter of a pea, Jupiter would be over a thousand feet away and Pluto would be a mile and a half distant (and about the size of a bacterium, so you wouldn’t be able to see it anyway). On the same scale, Proxima Centauri, our nearest star, would be almost ten thousand miles away. Even if you shrank down everything so that Jupiter was as small as the period at the end of this sentence, and Pluto was no bigger than a molecule, Pluto would still be over thirty-five feet away.’​

 

Michael W

 

Edited By Michael-w on 27/05/2017 18:20:42

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

Posted by Phil Whitley on 27/05/2017 17:20:45:

I think the moon landings were real, It was however a collosal waste of time and money, as human beings cannot exist on any planet that does not have an electromagnetic cloud around it to sheild us from cosmic radiation, we would be cooked to the bone very quickly, so forget mars,is's all hype!

I dont think it was a waste of money or time, why build equipment to go somewhere if you cant prove it works, nobody is going to climb aboard a rocket that's never been tested and visit a planet light years away without doing short hops, having a planetary body close by we can use to test the kit is ideal, you dont get to know all of the problems that may occur like long term time in space on the human body unless you experience it.

You dont get non stick pans either, the space race and F1 racing cars have given lots to us in our daily lives by improving the stuff we buy.

Martin P

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

From across the pond at least Russ has one of them right.

[Nick_GParticipant @nick_g]

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Did anyone ever see the clip (probably on youtube somewhere) where a reporter was hassling Buzz Aldrin about the authenticity of the moon landings. I think from memory the guy had a history of doing such. He ends up calling Buzz a coward I think.

Buzz in spite of his age now just thumps him.

Reporter then calls the police to arrest Buzz. Police don't want to know and basically tell him he deserved it for insulting a national hero.

Nick

[Barnaby WildeParticipant @barnabywilde70941]

Never tell a child that Santa is not real, what a tragedy it would be if they believed you.

You might think it's not possible to fool a whole nation, but it is certainly possible to fool the majority & leave them to ridicule the sceptics.

Journalists don't make things up, our politicians never lie & when we discovered that Santa wasn't real we comforted ourselve's with the story of good old St. Nick . . . !

[MikelkieParticipant @mikelkie]

But why haven't they made a return visit to the moon ??

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Whilst I don't doubt the moon landings were genuine there are plenty of real fakes about.

For example Nazi Germany allied with the Soviet Union before invading Poland together in September 1939. The German pretext was the Gleiwitz Incident in which German forces attacked a German Radio Station and left corpses in Polish uniform to 'prove' that the Poles had attacked Germany. The alliance with the Soviet Union was a fake too, the Nazis always intended to attack the USSR which they did in 1941.

In the USA children are taught a version of history that plays heavily on freedom and liberty as revolutionary objectives. Obviously escaping from the brutal tyranny of the beastly English was essential to the well-being of the citizens. How awful if the Revolution had failed – the USA would have turned out like Canada …

We devious Brits are quite good at deception too. For example the first British H-Bomb tests were faked.

In modern times 'spin' and 'fake news' are more likely than outright deception, at least in democracies where it's hard to keep secrets. Even so it's still hard to tell what the truth about anything really is. There's one solid principle though: never make the mistake of believing your own propaganda.

Dave

[Barnaby WildeParticipant @barnabywilde70941]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 27/05/2017 21:09:51:

We devious Brits are quite good at deception too. For example the first British H-Bomb tests were faked.

Dave

We sneer at the levels of deception & corruption in other countries, yet we are the ones who invented it & exported it around the world.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

But why haven't they made a return visit to the moon ??

A serious question? Why go back to somewhere when the rewards are known to be minimal at most?

Why send humans, with a considerable risk of failure, when robots can accomplsh the same at far less cost? That is why.

A lack of thought, or understanding, by the poster methinks! Or simmply some ulterior motive to unnecessarily arouse the suspicions of the 'don't really have a clue about science' brigade.

Horizons are far distant these days. 350k miles is chicken feed, compared with unmanned probes to asteroids, Pluto and other distant space objects. Satellites are able to collect and transmit data to scientists, who can safely sit in their offices and sift through the important findings.

The moon is simply made of green cheese. Not much benefit in mining green cheese for consumption on Earth, is it? Elvis has copyrighted all the interesting things on the moon, including laying claim to all the best bus routes, so Citybus have lost the desire to join the race ad the profitable routes are all taken. We know that wid turbines won't work too well up there too. Can you really think of any good reason to send more people to land on the moon?

Only a question from a non-thinker, I think!

[Dod MoleParticipant @georgeclarihew]

….So did we go or was it faked for the cold war ? yes, or no, depending on what one believes.

But James Brolin and Elliott Gould in Capricorn One have the answer.

[Chris TriceParticipant @christrice43267]

Those who believe the moon landings were faked simply lack the intellectual capacity to understand the science that made it possible. THEY can't get THEIR head round it therefore it can't be true, the height of arrogance and a belief they know everything and need no further education. As for the truly stupid suggestion that "some of it" was faked, really? You mean they did all that, went to the moon but couldn't bring themselves to not come up with more photos than they did so they faked that bit, like actually getting there wasn't a big enough story? The same garbage gets constantly regurgitated by the deniers despite it being constantly and demonstrably shown to be pig swill in the same way that some people refuse to believe pharmaceutical companies aren't withholding the cure for cancer (despite there being over 200 different types of cancer) or holistic medicine diluted to one part per million can cure HIV or make you lose weight or cure diabetes. Unfortunately, there is no cure for stupid and as soon as you make something idiot proof, the world makes a better idiot. "You can't see stars in the sky on any of the moon landing photos!" Good. If you could, they would be fake. "Why are the astronauts illuminated even when in shadow?" Because dullard, the light is being reflected off the ground from the acres of regolith in sunlight. How do you see the Radio Times tucked beside your sofa even not directly illuminated by your ceiling light? I could go on but to be honest, I'm pretty sure those who don't get it never will. For the record, James Brolin, O.J. Simpson and Sam Waterston were going to Mars in "Capricorn One", this film probably being the primary reason all this nonsense exists.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

How did they cope with temperature extremes of plus or minus 150-200 degrees C on the surface of the moon?

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by blowlamp on 27/05/2017 23:35:53:

How did they cope with temperature extremes of plus or minus 150-200 degrees C on the surface of the moon?

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Quite well, it appears

MichaelG.

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Edit: https://spaceflight.nasa.gov/outreach/SignificantIncidentsEVA/assets/space_suit_evolution.pdf

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/05/2017 23:42:22

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 27/05/2017 23:38:52:

Posted by blowlamp on 27/05/2017 23:35:53:

How did they cope with temperature extremes of plus or minus 150-200 degrees C on the surface of the moon?

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Quite well, it appears

MichaelG.

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Edit: **LINK**

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/05/2017 23:42:22

Yes, but what about things like camera equipment, the lander, radio/TV transceivers, golf clubs/balls and the lunar rover?

[Bill PudneyParticipant @billpudney37759]

Posted by Chris Trice on 27/05/2017 23:05:06:

Those who believe the moon landings were faked simply lack the intellectual capacity to understand the science that made it possible. THEY can't get THEIR head round it therefore it can't be true, the height of arrogance and a belief they know everything and need no further education. As for the truly stupid suggestion that "some of it" was faked, really? You mean they did all that, went to the moon but couldn't bring themselves to not come up with more photos than they did so they faked that bit, like actually getting there wasn't a big enough story? The same garbage gets constantly regurgitated by the deniers despite it being constantly and demonstrably shown to be pig swill in the same way that some people refuse to believe pharmaceutical companies aren't withholding the cure for cancer (despite there being over 200 different types of cancer) or holistic medicine diluted to one part per million can cure HIV or make you lose weight or cure diabetes. Unfortunately, there is no cure for stupid and as soon as you make something idiot proof, the world makes a better idiot. "You can't see stars in the sky on any of the moon landing photos!" Good. If you could, they would be fake. "Why are the astronauts illuminated even when in shadow?" Because dullard, the light is being reflected off the ground from the acres of regolith in sunlight. How do you see the Radio Times tucked beside your sofa even not directly illuminated by your ceiling light? I could go on but to be honest, I'm pretty sure those who don't get it never will. For the record, James Brolin, O.J. Simpson and Sam Waterston were going to Mars in "Capricorn One", this film probably being the primary reason all this nonsense exists.

Well said.

Just about sums it all up

cheers

Bill

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by blowlamp on 28/05/2017 00:01:56:

Yes, but what about things like camera equipment, the lander, radio/TV transceivers, golf clubs/balls and the lunar rover?

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Sorry …I really don't have the stamina to continue this discussion.

There is a lot of information freely available from NASA

… You could start here: **LINK**

https://history.nasa.gov/apollo_photo.html

MichaelG.

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